Just a note- I've been using LOX for many years without incident but only
within a narrow set of use cases I just want to be aware of any corner cases I
hadn't considered as I switch to flight weight tanks and potentially different
procedures
-Bob
On Sep 13, 2016, at 11:36, Robert Watzlavick <rocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
What does "be ready for the condensation" imply?
-Bob
On Sep 13, 2016, at 10:52, George William Herbert <george.herbert@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
A constant regulated flow of same-material gas (GOX, nitrogen gas etc) can
hold a constant pressure above its liquid but will be condensing at the
interface. If it's the same propellant its harmless and may be taking less
density / heat out that way.
You just need to be ready for the condensation.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 13, 2016, at 8:32 AM, Evan Daniel <evanbd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
As the tank warms up, you lose density. So you need more ullage if you use
warmer lox. Also, your mix ratio will shift slightly, so double check that.
If it gets too warm, you'll start to see two phase flow in your injector
and/or plumbing, which might be undesirable.
That said, plenty of people run self pressurized nitrous oxide, and
occasionally self pressurized LOX. No reason it can't work. Adding a little
helium might help, but might not be worth it.
Evan Daniel
On Sep 13, 2016 9:30 AM, "Robert Watzlavick" <rocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
During my cold water/LN2 tests this last weekend, I wanted to see how long
the LOX tank could sit with the vent closed prior to the run. The idea
was to reduce the amount of helium needed by allowing it to
self-pressurize for a bit. After filling, I closed the vent valve on the
tank and then closed the fill valve per the modified procedure to reduce
the ullage in the tank. While sitting there, the tank pressure increased
about 70 psi per minute and after 5 minutes, it reached 370 psi which was
right around the regulator setpoint of 390 psi. This seems like a good
idea to reduce the helium demand but what will happen if the test gets
delayed and I need to vent the tank? Is there danger of a BLEVE due to
the rapid pressure drop?
I suppose I could modify the fill procedure to: 1) close the vent, 2) let
it sit for a few seconds to compress the ullage, 3) close the fill, then
4) reopen the vent. Then a few minutes prior to launch, close the vent to
allow the self-pressurization. Is there any difference between allowing
the tank to be pressurized with helium vs. boiled off GOX?
-Bob
