Barbara, I do not know who your digitizer is, but what you were told is usually the opposite of what is normally told people about lettering. Usually you here small lettering should be hand digitized. 1.5" lettering is not that big when you think about it. Many shops I know sew 3 and 4 inch letters, using fills, and outlines around the fills all the time. They use some of the Athletic Lettering alphabets in the Design Shop software. Now, with that said, usually they do some editing to clean it up they want it to sew, but do not have to hand digitize the entire designs. To clear up what you were told, I would ask your digitizer to send you examples of what they are talking about and explain it to you why it should be digitized? A fill is always going to sew more stitches. Instead of one stitch per line of sewing, called Satin stitches, a fill is going to sew multiple stitches per line. How many stitches is going to depend on the type of fill used, density settings, and the stitch length used in the fill. The type of underlay used is going to depend on the garment being sewn on. There is a lady by the name of Janel Harris who monitors this list and does training on Melco software and teaches digitizing etc. She emailed me this AM asking if she could get involved and if it was ok to mention a feature that will be added to the 2006 software called Auto Split for columns. I think you will be hearing from her sometime today. Sincerely, Jeff Banks Melco Embroidery Systems ----- Original Message ----- From: "Avalon Embroidery" <avalonembroidery@xxxxxxx> To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 9:11 AM Subject: [amayausers] Re: converting sating stitches to fill stitches Hi! other than decreasing the density (if needed) there is no other "process" that I am missing? I never seemed to have had any problems converting before, but what my digitizer said threw me for a loop! I was concerned that now anytime I have large lettering it would have to be digitized! I was hoping that wasn't the case. Barbara Avalon ----- Original Message ----- From: marnox To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 8:05 AM Subject: [amayausers] Re: converting sating stitches to fill stitches Depending on the weight of the material, you may want to decrease the density of your fill letters. I have done sample letter sew-outs on a scrap of the target material - with decreasing density (which also cuts down the stitch count) in each subsequent letter - to see how low a density still looks good. Be sure to make note of which stitch-outs are which density. Not only did this sample sew-out help decide how to handle the original order, I show the stitch-outs to the customer each time I have a new larger-letter job to help them decide what they want. Maxine Armax Digz-n-Stitch armaxinfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: Avalon Embroidery To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 8:01 AM Subject: [amayausers] converting sating stitches to fill stitches Hi All! I was wondering if someone could give me some info. on the following. I have a customer who needs to have some jackets done. (not nylon this time!) She wants text only on the back of the jacket done in a "western style". The larger letters are approx. an inch and a half tall. I just used one of the fonts that comes with design shop (not a true type font) I noticed that the stitch count more than doubled when I changed from satin to fill. The person that I use for digitizing looked at it and said that the larger letters have to be digitized. (and they are only 1 1/2" tall) He said that the fonts that are digitized as satin stitches will still follow that same pattern as a satin stitch when converted to fill causing the lettering to "bunch up" on the fabric when sewing out and it would cause endless thread breaks while sewing. (though I have changed satin to fill before for directors chair backs to 2" and it sewed out great, just with a bazillion stitches) Is this really the case? I was wondering if maybe I am just converting the satin to fill stitches incorrectly? I would just enter the font and then go into fill and change it from satin to fill. Is there a way to change and not have such a high stitch count? I certainly can understand an increase in stitches, but for it to more than double? Barbara Avalon Embroidery