This message was posted by signman on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/1167.html#000003 THe only flat frames you can use on hats would be for the 'arc' over the back of the hat and small logos on the very sides. No way to hoop the front of a hat because of the curve of the brim where it is sewn together. For the back 'arc' I use the smaller 4" hoop, and you have to 'test' sew an arc on flat material until you get the right curve. =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================