HUMMMmmm, I seem to remember something about that converting alphabets, but it's been so many years since training. Good question, is there a tech reading that can find out for us?? I am running DS 05 Pro+, I have to upgrade on it's way, but for now will am running last year's version. Can't see the tie in/outs on any of the lettering, at any time. I also use the #5 tie in/out. I believe I have "Always" selected. I'll double check when I go out in the shop tomorrow. Jan Oak Tree Embroidery Oakley, CA jcalahan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lee or Terri Hoover Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 2:03 PM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] TI and TO ?? The discussion regarding the copperplate TI and TO has brought to mind a question about TI and TO for the alphabets. My understanding is that not all the alphabets supplied with DS Pro + has TI/TO. Therefore it was suggested (in training) to run the Convert Alphabets, which turns off all TI/TO, then in the default settings have TI/TO set to "When Necessary", thereby all alphabets should now have the TI/TO. Now to the question, when new releases or point releases are installed, does the Convert Alphabet need to be run again? Thanks, Terri Hoover Embroidery Creations