I agree that embroidery is not the place to discount. Basing price on what it costs to produce the product by assessing all overhead costs including wages and dividing that by average production capabilities to figure an hourly rate will ensure a profitable place to start. If that works out to $1/1000 stitches that's ok. All too often beginners use that figure or even less without assessing their own business. Then later they find out their not charging enough to be profitable or don't figure it out and go out of business. You hear a lot of fixed markup too such as 100% for retail and 30% for wholesale. I feel markup has more to do with perceived value. Charge as much markup as you can for the situation! Go to the Stitches Magazine website http://www.stitches.com <http://www.stitches.com/> and do a search on pricing. Tons of great articles. Janel Harris Dimensional Designs http://www.dimdesigns.com DesignShop Digitizer Melco On-Site Trainer -----Original Message----- From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of For Heaven's Sake Embroidery Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:57 AM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Re: Pricing Your Product John, I'm sure you will get lots of replies to this. The general rules of thumb are: double the cost for your garment + .80 - $1 per thousand stitches. These are just general guidelines and can be different for volumes, who supply's the garment and such. Some add "set-up" charges and some charge "digitizing fee's" or "Design Fee's" for in-stock designs. With volume orders, you may want to reduce the garment mark-up, but I wouldn't discount the embroidery as that is more of a "fixed cost". For the schools, I give them a discount AND provide free shirts for the coaches or class teacher for orders greater than 30 pcs. Just makes them want to order from me. I also offer free digitizing on their first order, letting them know that the design is mine and not theirs (they may purchase it at a big price later if they desire). Again, I do this to get their business and keep them from going elsewhere. Kelly For Heavens Sake Kelly@xxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of John Yaglenski Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:38 AM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Pricing Your Product Hi All: More starter questions. One of the most difficult things about this business (besides mastering the Amaya) is figuring out what to charge customers. I would love some guidence from those of you that have been doing this for a while. Do you follow any sort of formula... Such as shirt cost x markup + stich count/labor cost = final price ? Or do you sort of wing it... Double the cost of shirt and add "X" for the sew out of the design and if that sounds too low, you add to it? =) Do you charge more for embroidering on certain items? Less for others? The orders are starting to come in and I'd really like to nail down a pricing strategy. Todays example. Church group had us digitize a design. That ran $40 (our cost). They want it sewn out on denim log sleeve work shirts ($7-8 our cost). Quantity to start is between 1-2 dozen pieces. Design takes about 10 minutes to sew out on the Amaya. 6 colors, 9600 stitches. Thoughts? - - - - - - - - John Yaglenski Levelbest Embroidery I: www.levelbestembroidery.com P: 301.591.2481 P: 888.229.1779 F: 781.998.6473 This e-mail message and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify Levelbest, immediately -- by replying to this message or by sending an e-mail to john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -- and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Thank you.