there is a adapter that melco has that will allow you to use the older hoops like for the em-c10 machines this will allow you to buy SALE HOOPS in the sizes you need for less money wayne =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================