This message was posted by ErinsExpressions on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/2/1574.html#000012 I use fast frames. I've never tried anything else though. Most of my hats are truly fitted or flexible fitted so I don't have to deal with the arc (only the difficulty of hooping the front since most are unstructured or only lightly structured!). =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================