This is always going to be a subject that crops up every couple of weeks or so when a new party enters the A.U.G. scene. (That's "Amaya User's Group") One could always search through the archives because we've all asked this question before.. ( CND vs. OFM vs. EXP formats?) Once you have gotten a little experience under your belt in the digitizing or editing field, you'll quickly understand the pro's and con's of the different formats. Mr. Analogy chimes in... Let's see how this one flies, I just thought of it... A file that is saved in the OFM format ( used to be CND ), can be thought of as being similar to watching your favorite movie LIVE and in person. At any time you can shout out to the director that you'd like to see the wardrobe changed, or have an actor switched out, or change the scenery, and even the script as many times as you like - because you are working with the real deal. A file that has been saved in the EXP format would be considered similar to watching your favorite movie on a VHS tape or DVD. What you see and hear should be the same as watching it live but if you speed it up or slow it down, the overall experience is definitely not the same... and you definitely can't converse with the director. Whatta' you think? Am I far off? Remember it's late on a Sunday night. Ed Orantes -----Original Message----- From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of r.rinehartsr Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:53 PM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Re: Balboa Thread Works Thanks Veena, I thought it was just a personal preference until you explained it in such thorough detail. Thanks for all the info...that's how us newby's learn !! I just hope Dakota and other great design companies use CND. I know my digitizing software (Generations) does not import in or export to CND. THANKS AGAIN!! Debbie in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: Iris Embroidery To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:58 PM Subject: [amayausers] Re: Balboa Thread Works Hello Debbie and Ruth, The reason I suggested Ruth to buy CND is that I believe it contains more information than an EXP. If sometimes you want to use a portion of the design, and you convert it to wireframe, it does not convert properly and has more trims, extra unnecessary stitches etc. Also, it does not show what the designer is thinking about when he digitizes. The wireframe conversion is done algorithmically. I know that Balboa Stitch company does provide designs in CND format since Lee Caroselli does use Design shop for creating her designs(as I was told ). I took a class from her and was really enlightened with digitizing. I was a newbie in the class trying to learn embroidery, the red goddess and digitizing all at the same time. But I got a lot of good and valuable information in that class. She talked about how she gave a small design for a client in .ofm and the lady was able to zoom it 200% and still stitch out properly without compromising quality. Have you questioned yourself why most embroidery libraries put out a small size and a large size and let you configure out a new size for the same design. If you zoom an .EXP file I believe it compromises quality of the embroidery. I have not done that, so I cannot tell you. But I tried out converting an .EXP file to wireframe and reducing by 50% and sewing it out (puckered a lot, lost registration, extra trims, extra stitches, stitched out like blah!. I did it since the design was about 60,000 stitches and I wanted to do a sample before doing it on the garment). I went back and sewed the same design in EXP with out any changes, stitched out perfectly. For a test, pick an exp file (simple one ) and convert it into wireframe. Check and see how many extra trims you get and also the extra stitches you get. Sew both the designs out and check out the difference. I would definitely pick embroidery files in the order of OFM (first and foremost choice ? it definitely contains more data information reg the embroidery file than any of the others ? the format of the file I believe is still a secret and hidden safely under lock and key by melco), CND and finally EXP (least favorable one). I bought a book from Strawberry stitch company and would have liked the book samples in CND or OFM format but got them in EXP. It does not give much information even though, the author explains the examples in the book). If you want to know more about the format info, may be Jeff Banks could pitch in to let us know. Best Regards, Veena Viswanath Iris Embroidery www.IrisEmbroidery.com (510)-226-6171 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rod or Sharon Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 8:18 PM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Re: Balboa Thread Works In case you need to edit a design, EXP designs seem to corrupt worse than a CND file. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: Ruth Williams To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: [amayausers] Re: Balboa Thread Works It wasn't me that suggested not to purchase EXP designs, It was Veena Viswanath that gave us that advise, you might ask her if she has a reason from not doing EXP files, but I know I don't have the software that I can work with the EXP as far as adding colors or going into the tree and doing extra stuff, etc etc. I have no problem stitching them out, I was only wondering when you buy designs and they ask what format, which would be the best. Ruth L & R Embroidery ----- Original Message ----- From: r.rinehartsr To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 5:03 PM Subject: [amayausers] Re: Balboa Thread Works Ruth, I was kind of confused when you said not to purchase designs in EXP format. I have Generations digitizing and it actually recommends transporting to EXP when using any MELCO machine. I have also purchased Dakota designs in EXP and never had a problem with them...they stitched out beautifully. Is there a reason you suggest not useing EXP? Debbie in Indiana ---- Original Message ----- From: Iris Embroidery To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 2:38 PM Subject: [amayausers] Re: Balboa Thread Works Ruth, Ofm is best for the amaya. But you can work well with CND. Don ?t get EXP. Best Regards, Veena Viswanath Iris Embroidery www.IrisEmbroidery.com (510)-226-6171 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ruth Williams Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 11:33 AM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Re: Balboa Thread Works When picking these designs, which format would be best for our machines DST EXP CND? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Thompson To: Amaya Users Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 10:48 AM Subject: [amayausers] Balboa Thread Works I just found a great deal on embroidery designs and just had to pass it on to this group. Balboa Thread Works has a special that you might want to signup for. Pick any design for just $10. This applies to only one design per month. Call Dawn at 1-800 445-8705 and she will explain this deal to you. Or go to the website at http://www.balboastitch.com/ Ron Thompson Poke-Me (408) 254-2044 San Jose, CA