Dear all
It will be great to have a meeting. If it's on the last week of August, I could
participate in person too. Otherwise, let's organise Skype participation too.
Should we in any way decide on task division? How can we keep on working before
the meeting?
All the best
Mikko
Pedro Aibeo <info@xxxxxxxxx> kirjoitti 1.6.2016 kello 11.46:
I suggested a meeting at Viipurinkatu 8 on the 2 last weeks of august
Kind Regards,
P. Aibéo
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On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Ruby Vanderwekken
<ruby.vanderwekken@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear all,
Replying to Liisa, here is the link to the White paper document
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PYUb4H7PgnIyzFXVs0z62hI71AAqZhfYfAcZTOYr3Ss/edit?usp=sharing
My own intention is to see whether I can contribute by over summer going
back to our Discussion series,
http://www.commons.fi/discussion-series-another-financial-system-money-finland
(in drive the material is gathered here
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_SSfe58oEPzYeUIGsn8S5rRRp1AhThi7GF58Z9-71fc/edit)
and to see if can be completing from this material an "overview of the
discussion" (including also checking with the contribuants of the
discussion series and a couple of other actors not (yet) involved in our
process and including also the linkages between the different levels of the
discussion).
And to then see if this can also then feed into the White paper, or then
into the Manifesto idea which would be coming out of the White paper.
Pedro - very glad to hear of your suggestion to meet! Our initiative - and
its want to look comprehensively at the whole of the discussion - has
remained much with in the back of my mind, and after a flying start with the
discussion series :) I hope we find a way to keep on walking together.
warm greetings,
Ruby
1.6.2016, 11:19, Horelli Liisa kirjoitti:
Dear all,
I have been very passive but I am now reading Kathy Gibsons book Taking
back the economy after her wonderful presentation, so if there is something
to be added to the paper based on the book, I am willing to write about it.
But what is the link to the basic material we already have, bullet points
etc.???
Liisa
Liisa Horelli, PhD
Adjunct Professor
YTK – Land Use Planning and Urban Studies Group
Department of Built Environment
Aalto University
P.O.Box 12200,
00076 Aalto University, Finland
+358509178927
https://wiki.aalto.fi/display/Palco/Liisa+Horelli
https://aaltodoc.aalto.fi/handle/123456789/10244 New Approaches to Urban ;
Planning
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I propose we make a meeting in late August and sit and read what we have
together and brush it up so we can find some conclusions and publish the
paper.
Kind Regards,
P. Aibéo
[Ph.D.c, B.Sc. M.Sc. Dipl. Ing. Architecture, B.Sc. M.Sc. Civil Engineering]
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On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Ruby van der Wekken
<rubyvdwekken@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ah sorry,
So when I speak of my own filling in to the white paper, I will be doing so
also based on our discussion series.
And ofcourse our aim is to come to something which is easy and clear enough
for anyone reading to feel the issues written about are issues also for
them to be engaged in, and to be at large a demistifying, and empowering
tool.
Ruby
On 23 April 2016 at 10:34, Ruby van der Wekken <rubyvdwekken@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Dear all,
A very long over due thank you also on this list from my part to Pekka for
the work done! - we did in the meantime see by the side of our sons
football field, so I am glad as to say the thank you arrived at least some
time earlier to Pekka
As we have been discussing earlier, all of us who want to be involved with
the writing, can now be with on the filling in in the white paper in the
area of the paper you would like to contribute to.
I practical terms, we can leave Pekka's bullet points under each heading,
and write ourselves under them so we can keep track of that framing.
When some more progress has been made, we can invite first of all all
contributors to the discussion series to comment, "check their parts" in
sofar as they have not yet done; and beyond them there are yet some other
people whcih have in mind that could be good to ask for comments.
And we check collectively on our collective progress!
From the white paper then, aim is to come to a shorter manifesto
I forinstance feel myself more competent to be able to contribute on that
level, but will all the same first feed into the white paper and then we
see from there for the manifesto. Feels like a good opportunity to learn
more!
Do send me your request to be part of the co-writing so I can give you
editing rights!
Some of you spoke of wanting to write together.
Woudl there be any proposal for a next date to meet? Pedro?
I myself will defenitely try to join any physical meeting, but also intent
to work in drive whenever have a moment.
For today I will be here listening to Katherine Gibson :
https://www.facebook.com/events/1705082583080893/
and then later in the day a workshop with her,
Also, Aikapankki is working towards next seminar in relation to taxation
issue : https://www.facebook.com/events/936321826486329/
Pekka was last year also with in a similar exercise, going out there again!
In case any of you interested to come there, welcome!
warm greetings,
Ruby
On 2 April 2016 at 17:39, Pekka Nikander <pekka.nikander@xxxxxx> wrote:
There is now a Google Docs outline for a "White paper". I transferred the
ownership to you Ruby so that you can freely add new editors (and throw me
out if you are unhappy with that I do. :-)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PYUb4H7PgnIyzFXVs0z62hI71AAqZhfYfAcZTOYr3Ss
Anyone can make comments on it. Currently only Ruby and I can edit it, as
I didn't know the Google account for anyone else.
I'm afraid the outline may still be too lofty to be a starting point for a
manifesto.
Well, I presume I may be too much an academic to really be able to write a
manifesto anyway. Therefore it may be better (at least for me) to first
write a white paper and then condense a manifesto out of that, leaving
"unessential" discussion and argumentation away. Anyway, a white paper
should be easy to understand, too, even though addressed to a different
audience.
Mostly I think we (or I) can make the argumentation relatively solid, but
I'm afraid at least I am not able to complete the section about
demontisation and communisation, as they go beyond my current understanding.
Personally I tend to believe in Graeber's distinction between
"proto-communism" in the small and under exceptional
circumstances and selfishness towards strangers under most other
situations. As the "capitalist" in my ego is reluctant to directly give to
every beggar and instead wants to change the system (which is why I'm here
in the first place), I have quite a hard time believing in communism beyond
Dunbar's number.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/401o92/david_graeber_we_are_all_communists/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number
But I digress.
My plan is to next start adding there some references, and maybe write some
text for Appendix A.
--Pekka
