[accmemberdiscussion] Re: Shelby County Commissioners' letter
- From: Djsdosido@xxxxxxx
- To: accmemberdiscussion@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 16:02:39 EDT
Actually, I don't think it's a good idea to bring the HSUS/PETA subject in
to the discussion. As far as I can tell from what information I've read,
there is no reason to think that AR philosophy is fueling this. I think
just sticking to the subject at hand, i.e. the Commission trying to control
animal nuisance problems through zoning and us wanting to create a fair,
equitable definition of the term "commercial" which doesn't include hobbyists.
Really and truly, I am still not very clear on exactly WHAT the Commission
wants this definition to do. What are they trying to achieve by this
ordinance? Until that's known, it's practically impossible to offer good
alternative solutions to whatever they perceive the problem(s) to be. If you
go
back and look at the email that I sent several weeks ago to the BKC list
about the questions & discrepancies the ordinance brings up for me, it might
help you pinpoint a couple of bullets to include.
If you'd like to call me, we can sort of go through some of the things you
might want to ask or point out. 680-3336. Honestly, one of the first
things I'd do is make a phone call to Mr. Dillard, (I believe that's his name)
the commissioner that got the whole thing derailed 5 years ago when it
came up the first time. Isn't he still on the Commission? He probably could
give some insight as to what's happened in the last 5 years and if he still
feels opposed to it now as he did then. And if not, why not?
Donna & the Dosido Gang
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In a message dated 10/1/2010 1:41:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
ilcrice@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
I know, Donna, and that is the trouble I am having with writing my letter.
There are so many points that could be made. I’m trying to decide
whether it would be beneficial or not to include, as an introduction, a bit of
information on HSUS and/or PETA as an explanation of why our concern level is
so high. If you think this would be a good idea, or if you have
suggestions along this line, please send them to me. I have plenty of info to
write about the specifics of this Shelby county case, but feel a bit
incompetent to explain HSUS to those who may know nothing about it.
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[mailto:accmemberdiscussion-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Djsdosido@xxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 1:18 PM
To: accmemberdiscussion@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [accmemberdiscussion] Re: Shelby County Commissioners' letter
Thanks, Ivy. The PUPS letter took a pretty good chunk of time to put
together just because there are SO MANY points you could make. Choosing which
ones and how to put it together coherently was a little more
involved..........LOL.
Here is another copy of the letter that was sent to the Planning
Commission. Damon, I think if you just take out the Planning Commissioners'
names
and insert the County Commissioners' names, it will be just fine to send.
Of course, change the date and you may have to change that case
number....... I don't know. Frankly, I'm not sure what else I could say
about the
whole subject without sounding redundant or confusing.
I'm surprised to hear that this is coming before the Commission so
quickly. That doesn't sound too good for our side. They want to get
something
done fast. Also, I hate that the meeting is at 8:30 on a Monday morning.
I have a new job that I'm not sure when the start date is yet. I had
assumed that the meeting would be at night again......most usually are. Do
you
know if any of the other BKC Shelby County residents can be there?
Donna & the Dosido Gang
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In a message dated 10/1/2010 11:07:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
ilcrice@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Donna, I like your PUPS letter. Damon or Donna, could one of you send me
a copy of Donna’s letter to the planning commission.
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[mailto:accmemberdiscussion-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Damon Folmar
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 10:02 AM
To: accmemberdiscussion@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [accmemberdiscussion] Re: PUPS letter to Rep. Robert Aderholt
We can...I can probably copy & paste it & address it to the commission.
I had in mind the same letter, just addressed to different people. I did
forward it to a few of the commissioners but not the entire commission. I
can just do that if you want.
Damon
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From: Djsdosido@xxxxxxx
To: accmemberdiscussion@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Fri, Oct 1, 2010 7:57 am
Subject: [accmemberdiscussion] Re: PUPS letter to Rep. Robert Aderholt
I'll be glad to, Damon, but I thought you had already sent the one I wrote
to the Planning Commissioners on to the County Commissioners. If you
didn't, then I suppose we could just use that one. Don't you think?
Please let us know how your meeting with Corley Ellis goes.
Donna & the Dosido Gang
Remlap, Alabama
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In a message dated 10/1/2010 3:36:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
_jdfolmar@xxxxxxxx (mailto:jdfolmar@xxxxxxx) writes:
It was a great letter.
Donna--would you mind doing an ACC letter to the Shelby County county
commission prior to their meeting on Monday morning at 8:30 on October 11?
I plan to do one as well as have a face to face meeting with Corley Ellis
prior to the 11th. The more letters and input we can have ahead of time
the better.
If anyone wants to go to the meeting it's in Columbiana 10/11 at 8:30 and
they will vote on this issue and then meet with the Planning Commission
thereafter.
Anyone who goes will only have 3 minutes to speak, so I think while it's
important that we have people there it's more important to adequately
express our views ahead of time.
Thanks!
Damon
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From: Baba Monk <_babamonk@xxxxxxxx (mailto:babamonk@xxxxxxx) >
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Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:07 pm
Subject: [accmemberdiscussion] Re: PUPS letter to Rep. Robert Aderholt
Great letter Donna. Thanks! Baba
On Sep 30, 2010, at 4:08 PM, _temujinjk@xxxxxxxx
(mailto:temujinjk@xxxxxxx) wrote:
Well done, Donna! Judith
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Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:57 pm
Subject: [accmemberdiscussion] PUPS letter to Rep. Robert Aderholt
This is the letter that I just sent via email to Robert Aderholt regarding
his sponsorship of the PUPS legislation. I am sharing it with you so if
you want to use it as a guideline to send one of your own or to get friends
and family living in the 4th District to send one. It is VERY important
that Congressman Aderholt understand that there are MANY of his constituents
opposed to his position on PUPS. Please take the time to write yourself
and to encourage others to do the same. Baba has already sent talking
points to use earlier today. There are many to choose from......you don't
have
to include all of them. Please feel free to crosspost to those who can
help. I will be sending it to some terrier folks I know in North Alabama.
September 30, 2010
Representative Robert B. Aderholt
1433 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
RE: The Puppy Uniform Protection and Safety Act (PUPS)
HR 5434 and S 3424
Dear Representative Aderholt:
As an active voter in your Congressional district, I am writing to you
regarding my concern for your support of the abovementioned bill. Please
remove your sponsorship from this bill. Although I voted for you in the past
election, I will be unable to support you further if you continue your
sponsorship. Furthermore, I will urge friends, relatives and professional
contacts to refrain from supporting you as well.
I have been active in, with and for dogs for over fifteen years. I have
shown and trained my own dogs and helped others with theirs. I know many
very responsible, very ethical hobby breeders of several different breeds of
dogs. All of the dog people I know will be negatively affected by this
piece of legislation should it pass. There are almost 75 million dogs owned
in the United States. Many of those have come from the very segment of the
dog breeding population this bill would injure, as it would affect all
breeders who sell directly to the public, including show, hobby and working
dog breeders.
There are so many spurious, ill-advised and ambiguous elements to the bill
that I hardly know where to begin to point them out. So, I will give only
these few as examples:
1. PUPS creates a new category of breeder: the “High Volume Retail
Breeder” who would be required to be licensed by the USDA under the Animal
Welfare Act/AWA. This breeder is defined as anyone who, “in commerce, for
compensation or profit –
(i)has an ownership interest in or custody of ONE (1) or more breeding
female dogs; and (ii) sells or offers for sale, via ANY MEANS OF CONVEYANCE
(including the Internet, telephone, or newspaper), more than 50 of the
offspring of such breeding female dogs for use as pets in any 1-year period.
In
addition, “breeding female dog” is defined as “an intact female dog aged
4 months or older”.
Obviously, a 4 month-old female dog isn’t physiologically mature enough to
be bred. Nor can one female dog produce 50 puppies in one year. But the
PUPS’ definition of “HVR breeder” designates 4 month-old puppies as being
intact and breedable. Intact, yes; breedable, no.
Furthermore, the “50 offspring” aren’t defined by age, or as being from
litters owned by the breeder, or even as being personally owned by the
breeder. This very vague term includes everything from puppies, young adults,
spayed dogs, older retired dogs, previously placed dogs returned to the
breeder and then rehomed, etc. And if the breeder should have telephone
discussions with possible prospective dog buyers regarding any planned
litters,
this would be counted towards the sale of “50 offspring” required for
licensing whether or not there was actual consummation of any sale.
2. If PUPS should pass, it would increase the need for many more Animal
Plant and Health Inspection Service/APHIS inspectors, yet there is no
increase of inspectors reflected in the bill’s text. Additionally, there is
nothing in this bill that changes the status of already known substandard
kennel violators. New sources of funding would be needed to administer the
currently unfunded bill’s mandate. Without funding, expanded enforcement and
inspections couldn’t be done and those facilities requiring extra
inspections would slip under the radar. Considering the sorry state of the
nation’
s economy and the huge budget deficits under the Obama administration,
funding would be improbable, if not impossible, to get. And what good is any
piece of legislation if it can’t be carried out?
Congressman, again, I urge you to reconsider your sponsorship of this
bill. The unintended consequences would be punitive and far-reaching in the
world of purebred dogs bred by hobbyists.
Sincerely,
Donna P. Noland, Member
The Birmingham Kennel Club (_www.birminghamkc.org_
(http://www.birminghamkc.org/) )
The Airedale Club of America (_www.airedale.org_
(http://www.airedale.org/) )
The Scottish Terrier Club of America (_www.stca.org_
(http://www.stca.org/) )
The Atlanta Terrier Club (_www.atlantaterrierclub.org_
(http://www.atlantaterrierclub.org/) )
The Alabama Canine Coalition, Inc. (_www.alabamacaninecoalition.org_
(http://www.alabamacaninecoalition.org/) )
The American Dog Owners Association (_www.adoa.org_ (http://www.adoa.org/)
)
Donna & the Dosido Gang
Remlap, Alabama
Visit me at _www.doublenickellife.blogspot.com_
(http://www.doublenickellife.blogspot.com/) and help support the Alabama
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and _http://www.igive.com_ (http://www.igive.com/)
Every year of dog love is worth seven years of the human stuff. (Michael
Rosen)
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