It's bizarre. Does anyone know the history or logic behind it? I'd have thought that if they wanted to avoid H and C because they looked like numeral characters, the same would apply for D. Strangely enough, though, when I've Brailled my own cards, I've continued to observe the convention. Cheers now. Ian -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carol Pearson Sent: 13 January 2005 13:37 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: OT braille playing cards X - Clubs; K - Hearts! <SMILE> Why should you know. It's not too logical after all! -- Carol carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Threadgold Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 1:14 PM To: accessuk list Subject: [access-uk] OT braille playing cards Sorry for the off topic question. I have just received a set of braille playing cards from rnib. the diamonds, I assume, are marked with a d. The spades, I assume, are marked with an S. The other suits are marked with an x and a k. Which of these denotes the clubs and hearts, please?! A stupid question, perhaps, but they don't make any sense to me! cheers, Mark Threadgold ** To leave the list, send a message to:- ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 12/01/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 12/01/2005 ** To leave the list, send a message to:- ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. ** To leave the list, send a message to:- ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq