[access-uk] Re: NEW ACCESSIBLE SEARCH ENGINE

  • From: Steve Nutt <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:17:00 +0100

Hi Carol,

Yes, Google is perfectly accessible with the shark too.

All the best

At 20:58 28/06/2004, carol pearson spake these words of wisdom
 >Actually, Steve, it's *perfectly* acceptable to me also - and I use a
 >different screen reader!  <SMILE>
 >
 >
 >--
 >Carol
 >
 >
 >
 >----- Original Message -----
 >From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 >To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 >Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 8:18 PM
 >Subject: [access-uk] Re: NEW ACCESSIBLE SEARCH ENGINE
 >
 >
 >> Hi Tink,
 >>
 >> I haven't tried it yet, but I think my question is, how good is it as a=20
 >> search engine?  For example, why do I need an "accessible" engine, when=20
 >> Google seems perfectly accessible to me?  Or am I an old blind synnic
 >with=
 >> =20
 >> a good screen reader?
 >>
 >> All the best
 >>
 >> At 10:45 28/06/2004, L=E9onie Watson spake these words of wisdom
 >>  >Ian,
 >>  >
 >>  >    Thanks for posting this up, it's refreshing to see accessible
 >design=
 >>  put
 >>  >to the fore, but I do wish that they hadn't shot themselves, not to=
 >>  mention
 >>  >the rest of the accessible design sector, in the foot.
 >>  >
 >>  >    They claim that they are AAA compliant against the Web Content
 >>  >Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG), which may be fair enough. But they also
 >>  >claim they are Level AAA compliant against the Bobby Guidelines and
 >this=
 >>  is
 >>  >where I really take issue.
 >>  >
 >>  >    Bobby is not a set of guidelines, it is a tool for measuring a site
 >>  >against the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines. If a site believes=
 >>  itself
 >>  >to be Level AAA against the WCAG, then Bobby can be used to confirm
 >this,=
 >>  up
 >>  >to a point at least. Bobby is not entirely renound for its accuracy.
 >>  >
 >>  >    Because Bobby isn't always very accurate, YouSearched have given
 >>  >themselves an unnesscesary problem. Bobby doesn't find the site Level
 >AAA
 >>  >compliant under the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines, it doesn't
 >even
 >>  >find it Level A compliant. This is because Bobby is failing, not
 >because=
 >>  the
 >>  >site is.
 >>  >
 >>  >    Bobby says that the site fails to set the language type of the=
 >>  document,
 >>  >which isn't the case. The language type is clearly set, but because of
 >the
 >>  >way the coding is arranged its quite likely that Bobby hasn't
 >interpreted=
 >>  it
 >>  >correctly.
 >>  >    Bobby also says that 15 images don't have alternate text. The
 >images=
 >>  in
 >>  >question have an empty alt text, but because the site uses apostrophes
 >>  >rather than double quotes to enclose the alternate text, Bobby believes=
 >>  this
 >>  >to be an error.
 >>  >
 >>  >    The upshot is this. Because the press release claims Level AAA
 >against
 >>  >Bobby Guidelines, people will immediately go and check this, much as I=
 >>  did.
 >>  >What they will see is that, according to Bobby, the site fails basic
 >>  >accessibility and this is the impression they will carry away with them,
 >>  >marring an otherwise great design.
 >>  >
 >>  >    I'm going to contact YouSearch and pass on my thoughts too. This
 >could
 >>  >be a useful resource to add to my bookmarks.
 >>  >
 >>  >
 >>  >Regards,
 >>  >Tink.
 >>  >
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