Andy, I think, in fairness, Mervyn has been saying the same to the powers that be. But this is what is coming out at the moment. I asked about it all because people know I have the Reader anyway, so have asked me privately how much the new concept is going to be. Rather than speculate, I decided to find out, and checked that it would be ok to post. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Collins To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:42 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: K-NFB Reader comes to mobile phone Thanks Jackie for the explanation. I wonder why this would be the case when buying the software separately; yes, it will only work on the N82 for now, but later this year, other phones will have the xenon flash as I understand it, so won't it be like buying JFW to install on to any old PC, Or TALKS for any mobile? It is still sofgtware for the blind, so in my opinion should be 0 rated! - Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie Cairns To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:32 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: K-NFB Reader comes to mobile phone Hi Andy I understand that the Inland Revenue has said that the product cannot be zero-rated because it is a commercially available phone which is just being layered with software. So some sort of compromise has been reached where there has to be some rating implemented as a halfway house I guess. And yes, the software is about £1,100 on its own if you want it for your N82, but bear in mind it has to go on the N82 if you have one. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Collins To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: K-NFB Reader comes to mobile phone Jackie - Thanks for checking this out for us. do you understand why this has a vat rating at all, when software such as JFW and TALKS is 0 rated? Are you abel to confirm that the software alone cost £1080? - Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie Cairns To: Access UK Mailing List Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: [access-uk] K-NFB Reader comes to mobile phone Hi All Please forgive me for cross-posting this information, but I know there are individuals on lists that will want to be aware of it. Some know I have the K-NFB Reader, and have read that it is to be launched on a mobile phone with TALKS. As I have been asked about the cost, I decided to check this out to pass on, so below is what I have been advised by Sight and Sound, who are the only UK dealer for this project. The K-NFB Reader software will come on an N82 mobile with TALKS Premium. If you buy the whole thing from scratch, it will cost £1,725 plus a VAT rating of 5%. This includes a couple of hours training. If you already own a K-NFB Reader, and wish to trade it in for the mobile containing all the above software, it will cost £885 plus a 5% VAT rating. Additionally, there are other options you can consider. These include purchasing the K-NFB software on its own to put on an N82 you may wish to purchase separately. Currently, the N82 is the only mobile which supports this software. I haven't seen the phone myself so I don't know what its specifications are, but it shouldn't be too difficult to obtain them by looking on www.expansys.com or other mobile phone outlets such as Vodafone, O2, Orange etc. There has not yet been an official launch of this product by Sight and Sound, but this information has come from Mervyn Robertson, so it is valid and up-to-date. Hope some of you find this useful. Jackie -- This email has been verified as Virus free. Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net -- This email has been verified as Virus free. Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net