[access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
- From: Eleanor Martha Burke <eleanormarthaburke@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 14:11:04 +0100
agree Tony and we are not locking our Braille teaching
> On 22 May 2014, at 14:01, Tony Sweeney <tonymsweeney@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> And as Eleanor said other symbols were not taught in her boarding school and
> ditto here so it was a bit of a stteep learning curve learning them and what
> they stand for, still.
>
> So it just wasn't in one school that that occurred.
>
> Didn't see capitalisation as a problem as again as was said we were always
> told that after a stop there is always a capital.
>
> It would have made Braille really really bulky indeed to have had all of the
> capitals required say in a text book for example.
>
> Tony---Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Jackie Brown
> Sent: 22 May 2014 13:45
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? -
> News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>
> Capitalisation came later in my Braille development, in other words, once I
> had learnt to read grade two itself. I favour the dot six personally, and I
> use it when I write Braille. It is a very controversial subject among
> Braillists and teachers.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jackie Brown
> Twitter: @thebrownsplace
> Skype: Thejackmate
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Iain Lackie
> Sent: 22 May 2014 13:34
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? -
> News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>
> Standard English Braille has always included punctuation. Only
> capitalisation has been missing. However, the books we used at school for
> learning to read always included capitalisation. We were never expected to
> use it in written Braille. I think this was a pity.
>
> Iain
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eleanor Martha Burke
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:56 AM
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? -
> News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>
> Continuing the discussion Jackie, I learned Braille at school and still use
> it, however I did not learn capitalisation, other than that I was informed
> that one always puts a capital letter after a full stop. American Braille
> however, includes capitalisation and punctuation. It was only as an adult
> Braillist that I learned all the symbols that indicated punctuation such as
> underline, italic etc. As for spelling I am not good at spelling and I
> personally attribute this to Braille Grade ii but there you are!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Jackie Brown
> Sent: 22 May 2014 11:32
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? -
> News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>
> Hi Vince
>
> Not sure how much we are wandering here, but I do think it is relevant to
> assistive technology.
>
> What concerns me about the reliance, if you like, on speech all the time for
> visually impaired youngsters - especially those with no sight at all - is
> that they are less likely to spell, punctuate and capitalise appropriately.
> You miss these things with speech unless you are patient enough to go
> through everything you listen to letter by letter. If these crucial
> elements are not taught to blind children in mainstream education because it
> is considered that Braille is unnecessary, I really believe the kids are
> missing out.
>
> Had my son been born with any eye condition, I would have taught him to read
> and write Braille myself, unquestionably. While I type more than Braille
> these days, I am lucky enough to be able to swap just like that.
>
> Martin has acquired sight loss due to RP, but he taught himself to read and
> write grade two Braille a few years ago in case he ever needed it. While he
> reads with his fingers quite slowly, he has a great memory for everything he
> taught himself.
>
> I just can't see Braille dying out in the immediate future, certainly not
> while I am alive with any luck! (smile).
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jackie Brown
> Twitter: @thebrownsplace
> Skype: Thejackmate
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Vincent Thacker
> Sent: 21 May 2014 23:35
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? -
> News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>
>
>
> Jackie,
>
> I didn't achieve registration as blind until I was about 54, by which time I
> had too much else going on to fit learning Braile in as well. Sorry to say
> that I've taken the line of least resistance and use a screen reader for
> almost everything.
>
> I did learn a bit of Braille at my local blind society in the end, but
> didn't get any further than "a sad lad" and "dad will yell at you" and such
> things. Then I had to stop because of other commitments.
>
> But I agree that for children, it's surely an advantage to know Braille,
> even just as a quality of life measure. How else are the kids going to get
> any private reading, or private writing, for that matter? Great though audio
> books are, they are not the same as reading a book in print. It's too
> passive somehow to my mind. I'm sure reading Braille would come closer to
> the printed word.
>
> Just my tuppence worth, as someone who knows nothing but won't shut up.
>
> Vince.
>
>
>
>
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> Message Received: May 21 2014, 05:02 PM
> From: "Jackie Brown"
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc:
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? -
> News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>
> Hi Clive
>
> Yes, same goes for me. And I do believe children born blind should still be
> strongly encouraged to read and write good Braille wherever this is
> possible.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jackie Brown
> Twitter: @thebrownsplace
> Skype: Thejackmate
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Clive.Lever@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: 21 May 2014 16:28
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? -
> News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>
> Hello,
>
> I read less and listen more. This is partly because there is much more
> literature accessible to us now that listening to audio books has become a
> sighted thing. However, one reason I don't have a personal problem with this
> change in my reading habits is that I already know how to communicate in
> writing...I hope! However, I'd hate to have been born blind and never had
> the chance to read and write independently.
>
> Best,
> Clive
>
>
> Clive Lever
> Diversity and Equality Officer
> Kent County Council
>
> Office: 01622 221163
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>
>
> Kent County Council
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Gordon Keen
> Sent: 21 May 2014 16:21
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? -
> News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>
> Hi
>
> Yes that was my take on the article as well, however I decided to post the
> article as I felt that some might want to visit the exhibition with a view
> to expressing their opinion once they had actually attended.
>
> Regards
>
> G
>
> From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England.
> .
>
> On 21 May 2014, at 15:44, Iain Lackie
> wrote:
>
>> I wasn't aware that the journalist was dismissing braille. If
> anything,
> the professor was concerned that blind people were being denied access to
> braille due to the rise of the use of other digital sources of information.
> I think it unfair to blame the journalist for expressing the fears of
> someone else. If braille is not taught, of course it will die out. I have to
> say that even as a braille user, I read much less braille than I used to. I
> don't read any less, however.
>>
>> Iain
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