But getting a page of braille in a reffreshable form would be so bloody expencive it would never be done. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ari Damoulakis Sent: 21 May 2014 13:53 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent Sighted people love paper so much that they're working on ink that can re-write to the paper, i.e finished using something, just remove the ink and reuse the paper. There is also some research that suggested that sighted people who hand-write things remember and recall more of what they wrote than if they did it on a computer or tablet. Braille is beautiful and wonderful and it would be the most awful thing if paper braille disappeared. To get braille into the digital age we need multi-line braille displays, one tiny line when you are trying to find something in a huge document just doesn't cut the mustard and is awful because you can't skim read downwards and look for things fast. Besides, if braille disappeared, I think a child growing up totally blind from birth would never then really be able to really picture words or imagine letters effectively in their heads like what a braille user can. Bet their reading and spelling skills wouldn't be as good as a braille user. Ari On 5/21/14, Clive.Lever@xxxxxxxxxxx <Clive.Lever@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hello Angel, > > So no homer, John Milton or Aldous Huxley either...and before the form > becomes extinct, I'm going to use a subjunctive: Would that I were > joking about some blind people beginning to sound like their synthesisers! > > Best, > Clive > > > > Clive Lever > Diversity and Equality Officer > Kent County Council > > Office: 01622 221163 > Email: clive.lever@xxxxxxxxxxx > > > Kent County Council > Room G37 > Sessions House > Maidstone, Kent. > ME14 1XQ > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Angel > Sent: 21 May 2014 13:04 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of > Braille? - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent > > You are joking surely? Blind people sounding like synthesizers? How > sad a > > situation is it if blind people are so isolated. When I read about > the possibility of Braille being replaced with electronic media, I > remember in the 80's when there was talk of a paperless office. Did > that occur? It did > > not. Why was this I ask? It was because sighted people wouldn't > stand for > > it, and some 30 or so years later we still have paper documents. If > we blind people allow Braille to be replaced, we will be a sadder and > a sorrier > > lot for it. Because our children will be considerably less well > educated than we blind students were in past generations. When we > could physically read. I think a lot of this talk about Braille being > replaced is done by sighted people who feel the code is too hard to > learn, and are trying to make things easier for teachers of the blind > and other sighted professionals. Especially with the idea we should > be integrated with sighted students from the moment we begin our > careers as students. Not having to worry over teaching or learning > the code would make our education > > a good deal easier for the sighted folk who teach us blind students. > Who depend on Braille translating programs to write Braille. In the > 1940's and > > 50's sighted teachers of the blind learned to read Braille with their > fingers. As did we. I was taught by such. The idea being, they > would be better teachers of us if they immersed themselves entirely in > the experience. This total emersion is not experienced by today's > modern teachers of the blind . Sighted people generally, expect us > blind people to > > be less capable in so many ways. So, if our education and literacy > suffers > > should Braille be replaced by electronic medium they won't even > understand > > we lack. A condition similar to the deterioration by sighted children > in the use of the language. They lack the understanding of its depth > and its richness. In future, there will be no Shaws, or Shakespeares. > Not because > > they lack the life experiences of either; but, because, blind and > sighted children alike, won't have vocabularies exceeding 50 words. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Clive.Lever@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:19 AM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of > Braille? - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent > > >> Hello all, >> >> I believe that if you were born with no useful reading vision, or >> have had >> >> no useful reading vision since early childhood, it is dangerous to >> assume >> >> that Braille can ever be properly replaced by other media. Screen >> enlargement is of no early use to someone with no sight at all; >> audiobooks >> >> and computer speech technology allow a blind person to be read to by >> a machine. They don't allow a blind person to read, so the point >> about the importance of acquiring literacy skills is well made. You >> can read all the >> >> audio books you like on daisy players, Kindles and the like, without >> learning how to write, spell, punctuate, capitalise and so on. You >> can do >> >> some of this with computer technology, but the process is rather like >> travelling from Land's End to John o' Groats at the speed of a snail >> - it's logically possible to do it but life's too short to make the >> attempt >> >> worthwhile. There are other dangers inherent in expecting blind >> people do >> >> be educated entirely through computer speech outp ut. I've heard >> reports that some young blind people are beginning to sound >> >> like their synthesisers, because they are the voices they hear more >> than any other. >> >> Best regards, >> Clive >> >> >> >> >> Clive Lever >> Diversity and Equality Officer >> Kent County Council >> >> Office: 01622 221163 >> Email: clive.lever@xxxxxxxxxxx >> >> >> Kent County Council >> Room G37 >> Sessions House >> Maidstone, Kent. >> ME14 1XQ >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >> Behalf Of Gordon Keen >> Sent: 21 May 2014 10:52 >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [access-uk] Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? - >> News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent >> >> >> http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/does-th >> e-digital-age-spell-the-end-of-braille-9405836.html >> >> Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? >> >> It took more than a century for Braille to be established as the >> English reading system for the blind after an acrimonious and lengthy >> dispute dubbed the "War of the Dots". >> >> Now it faces another battle as the rise of digital technology means >> its importance to blind people is diminishing. It might even fall >> into disuse >> >> altogether, according to the curator of a new exhibition. >> >> "Braille is embattled. The biggest threat is computer technology, >> which makes it much easier not to have to learn it," said Matthew >> Rubery, from Queen University of London. >> >> "A lot of people fear Braille won't survive because it will be read >> by so >> >> few people. The use has declined and there are concerns about funding >> to keep it going." >> >> Dr Rubery, with Birkbeck University's Heather Tilley, is curating the >> exhibition How We Read: A Sensory History of Books for Blind People. >> The exhibition, which opens in November in London, will introduce the >> development of alternative ways of reading over the past two centuries. >> >> These include the development of Braille and its embossed-print >> rivals, talking-book records, speech-synthesisers and systems that >> magnify text on >> >> computer screens. >> >> Many of the devices have never been displayed. Dr Rubery said it was >> an opportunity "to explore this significant but largely neglected >> aspect of the nation's literacy heritage". >> >> A series of competing systems emerged in the 19th century to help >> blind people read. Braille was a system published in 1829 by the >> Frenchman Louis >> >> Braille. Among its rivals were the embossed pages published by >> William Moon. >> >> About 30,000 people use braille in some form today. About 6,000 of >> these are heavy users, according to the Royal National Institute of >> Blind People >> >> (RNIB). >> >> But it faces threats from advances in low-vision technology, the >> greater availability of recorded materials and reading machines. The >> RNIB revealed >> >> fewer people are using its Braille library. Steve Tyler, head of >> planning >> >> at the RNIB, said the body was worried about the decline of Braille, >> but >> >> that it was putting more resources into teaching products and >> electronic >> >> Braille. >> >> He said: "We do see threats to the system but it is still at the >> heart of >> >> what we do because of its literacy and educational value." >> >> The exhibition will also chart the development of talking books for >> the blind, first provided for veterans blinded in the First World War. >> >> Dr Rubery said: "Ever since Edison invented the phonograph in 1878, >> people >> >> have been listening to spoken- word recordings. But the first >> full-length >> >> recordings were made for blind people in the 1930s. Before, the >> records only allowed a few minutes." >> >> Among the exhibits is what is believed to be the oldest surviving >> talking-book record, from 1935 - the BBC announcer Anthony McDonald >> reading Cranford by Elizabeth Gaskell. >> >> "Blind people started listening to long-playing records 15 years >> before anyone else," Dr Rubery said. The first spoken-word records >> released were >> >> the Bible and excerpts from Shakespeare. >> >> The first popular novels were The Murder of Roger Ackroyd by Agatha >> Christie and Joseph Conrad's Typhoon. >> >> Three blind types: Rival systems >> >> Braille >> >> Louis Braille invented his system at the age of 15, taken from a code >> invented to send military messages at night. He published it in 1829; >> it was established as the English system of choice in 1932. >> >> Boston Line Type >> >> Devised by Samuel Gridley Howe, founder of the New England School for >> the >> >> Blind, it was an embossed, simplified Roman alphabet. The first book >> using >> >> the system was published in 1834. >> >> Moon >> >> After losing much of his sight from scarlet fever as a child, William >> Moon >> >> developed a system of raised-print letters, which he published in >> 1845. 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