In my line of work, "names" has a specific meaning. We have namespaces, which may be imported. Names are "of objects". It's a mechanized logic that I'm talking about, Python, named for Monty Python. Outside of such specific (special case) language games, the word "name" need have no fixed meaning. It wanders about, just like "logic" and "logician" does. Since the advent of computer science and the computer languages, I would say the legacy of Frege-type logic is clear: all that symbolic logic was helping humans get ready for their next adventures in computational thinking (aka "logic"). The "logic" of the analytic philosophers (so-called "first order" and "higher order") is, in contrast, a relative dead end in my view and of no particular utility any longer. I would not consider analytic philosophers to be especially well versed in logic as a group. They haven't kept up to date and their thinking. Computer science has inherited the mantle of useful logic and has few debts to contemporary philosophers. On the other hand, the ideas of "namespace" and "language games" are coming together I think. Whether it's worth sharing this news with analytic philosophers is debatable. That's a branch of human learning that we probably don't need to keep on life support. Wittgenstein helps us pull the plug on that stuff. Kirby _______________________________________________ Wittrs mailing list Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://undergroundwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/wittrs_undergroundwiki.org