> In other words, if we're talking about our rights and liberties, > and freedom of the will in that sense (Hawaiian independence > etc.), then we're doing some work. The "free will" of the > Anglophone philosophers, on the other hand, the nerdy > analytic ones, is a linguistic / mental illness we need to > push forward as something we're proud of in the philosophy > business. These are not the prime specimens. Gak. Need *not* push forward as something we're proud of... Like, if you're applying for a job as a philosopher, yet you've been silent about every issue of the day, every troubling ethical question, every difficult trade off, then I'd say "no way" i.e. just buckling down and doing your modal logic 24/7 is no way to climb the ladder in this biz. Real philosophers take interesting and mind-expanding positions and defend them. That's why Russell still gets some glory even if his logic has been somewhat eclipsed by the more pragmatic flavors of machine-based logic that grew up in the wake of his period. I'm not implying I agree with all his positions or even know what they were. I'm just saying I think he had some courage, which is what attracted Wittgenstein into his orbit in the first place. Kirby