[Wittrs] Re: How is This Not a Reformulation?
- From: "Cayuse" <z.z7@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <wittrsamr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:40:21 -0000
Joseph Polanik wrote:
Cayuse wrote:
Self-reference is not nonsensical when it refers to the physical
organism in the world -- it only becomes nonsensical when it refers
to "the experiencer" or to "the agent of action". The problem begins
when these two notions are accreted onto the idea of self as a
physical organism in the world.
after so much time chiding others about making assumptions about what
is beyond experience, you have made two metaphenomenal assumptions in
just a couple days. first you assumed that there are other
consciousnesses that are beyond your own experience. now you assume
that there is a physical universe independent of your experience.
would you explain just how you did this without reformulating your
position in any way?
Sure. Firstly, I have made no assumption that there are other
consciousnesses that are beyond the immediate data of experience
-- rather the picture is there by default. Secondly, the word "physical"
is used here in contrast to "mental" when referring to the phenomena
of immediate experience, rather than to the *metaphysical* idea that
physical objects have a "real" existence beyond the data of experience.
Joseph Polanik wrote:
Cayuse wrote:
Joseph Polanik wrote:
since it appears that Cayuse might be in the process of
reformulating his position, I'll let him address these points for
himself.
I'm not in the process of reformulating my position
[Cayuse: 2009-10-31: 13:27]: the idea that there are other
consciousnesses is a product of the imagination rather than a matter
of immediate experience.
[Cayuse: 2009-11-01: 07:52]: Holding the picture that other people are
accompanied by other consciousnesses is not a choice I make, but a
default condition (PI 425).
how is this not a reformulation?
The idea that there are other consciousnesses is an imagined picture,
and imagined pictures are aspects of the immediate data of experience
(i.e. not beyond it). The picture is there by default, and even if it were
incorrect I (this physical organsim) would still behave as though it were
correct, so it makes no difference whether or not the picture is correct.
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