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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 22:22:37 +0100
Subject: Re: [quickphilosophy] Re: An Anscombe Error Regarding Negation?
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That provokes some other interesting (to me anyway) thoughts. Could you
have a "pictorial" language even if you were a mindless robot? After
all, we can always behave mindlessly, or build mindless robots to do it
for us and save us the trouble. But would it solve anything?
One has to suppose that language could not be used to describe the whole
of the world - simply on the basis that there is no room in the world
for a complete description of the world. And rather akin to your doubt
concerning metalanguages, a complete "pictorial" description might well
suffer a regress - the same problem as that model villages need to have
model villages within them, and so ad infinitum.
But we don't accept any particular constraints on the extensiveness of
our descriptions, so that might suggest that we have to give up on the
completeness of their representational detail.
Oh, and I suspect the notion of metalanguage breaks down anyway when
natural languages are under consideration.
On 06/08/2010 13:03, iro3isdx wrote:
>
> An excellent point.
>
> But, then, I never did think that a picture theory of language could be
> workable. In order for a picture theory to apply to language, we would
> need to be mindless mechanical robots.
>
> Hmm, maybe a better way of putting that: if language fitted a picture
> theory, then it would be impossible to use language to express theories
> of language (such as a picture theory).
>
> Regards,
> Neil
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<p>That provokes some other interesting (to me anyway) thoughts. Could
you <br>
have a "pictorial" language even if you were a mindless robot? After
<br>
all, we can always behave mindlessly, or build mindless robots to do it <br>
for us and save us the trouble. But would it solve anything?<br>
<br>
One has to suppose that language could not be used to describe the whole <br>
of the world - simply on the basis that there is no room in the world <br>
for a complete description of the world. And rather akin to your doubt <br>
concerning metalanguages, a complete "pictorial" description might
well <br>
suffer a regress - the same problem as that model villages need to have <br>
model villages within them, and so ad infinitum.<br>
<br>
But we don't accept any particular constraints on the extensiveness of <br>
our descriptions, so that might suggest that we have to give up on the <br>
completeness of their representational detail.<br>
<br>
Oh, and I suspect the notion of metalanguage breaks down anyway when <br>
natural languages are under consideration.<br>
<br>
On 06/08/2010 13:03, iro3isdx wrote:<br>
><br>
> An excellent point.<br>
><br>
> But, then, I never did think that a picture theory of language could be<br>
> workable. In order for a picture theory to apply to language, we would<br>
> need to be mindless mechanical robots.<br>
><br>
> Hmm, maybe a better way of putting that: if language fitted a picture<br>
> theory, then it would be impossible to use language to express theories<br>
> of language (such as a picture theory).<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Neil<br>
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