--- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "SWM" <SWMirsky@...> wrote: > The problem is you're still looking for the non-physical entity within the physical one, You know better. I don't think in terms of entities. But you do. If the brain causes the self, then the self has to be a something. Even if it isn't a solid entity, it must be gas, a wave, some form of matter, or perhaps a non-physical entity. > The operating brain does many things, including producing various pictures for me to see? Where am I in this picture? Do I see the picture the brain makes exactly as it makes it or can I distort it? If I can distort it, then you have a ghost in the machine. > ....when certain operations within the brain are shut down..features of the conscious mind we are familiar with go away. Correct. Now explain why. If my visual cortex is damaged..... 1. It doesn't make pictures and I, the ghost in the machine, am in the dark. 2. I can't use my brain to see the world. The "I" in this stance doesn't refer to any entity. Just a description of how I'm able to do what I do. bruce #1 places ========================================= Need Something? Check here: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/wittrslinks/