[Wittrs] Re: Constituting Subjectivity
- From: "SWM" <SWMirsky@xxxxxxx>
- To: wittrsamr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 11:50:01 -0000
--- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Joseph Polanik <jPolanik@...> wrote:
> SWM wrote:
>
> >Joseph Polanik wrote:
>
> >>it is true that not every arrangement of atoms constitutes liquidity;
> >>but, simulating molecular motion with syntactical operations doesn't
> >>ever constitute liquidity.
>
> >Of course but we're not talking about constituting liquidity but
> >constituting subjectivity.
>
> are you talking about constituting subjectivity from constituents that
> experience subjectivity on their own?
>
> Joe
>
No.
The molecules of water aren't wet but in the aggregate, under certain ambient
conditions, when behaving in a certain way AND observed at our level or
operation, wetness is encountered by creatures like us. The point is that the
individual processes going on in the brain (or the computer, if computers are
viable substitutes for brains) aren't conscious (don't experience subjectivity)
but that, when aggregated together in a certain way, under certain conditions
subjectivity (including an experiencer experiencing it) occurs. This is what it
means to call this a system level feature. It is not found in the constituents
(below the level of the system in question) but only at the level of all the
constituents working together, doing their part.
SWM
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