Kevin, There is quite a lot of difference of opinion on this matter (some folks obviously feel that posting locations of roosting owls or other sensitive bird species is OK - others think it's unwise). Since I am in the latter group, I'll try my best to explain this point of view. Some of us feel that there is potential for harm to birds such as roosting owls when they are approached too closely by numbers of people. An excellent overview of this topic is found at this link: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/news/sensitive_species There is evidence to suggest that repeatedly flushing birds, especially in cold weather when they are already potentially stressed, may cause serious physiological stress and potentially result in harm to an individual bird. If I could be assured that everyone attempting to see a roosting owl would not approach too close, or that there would be some limit on the number of people who approach it in a given time period - perhaps my objections would be lessened - but I seriously doubt that we could expect those conditions to be met. I've seen it go the other way too many times. Thus, simply not sharing the information - in other words, showing some restraint - is what we recommend. Of course, there is no way I can get someone to display restraint if they really don't want to. So, I and others simply SUGGEST or RECOMMEND that we all show restraint - and the most straighforward way to do that is to not post locations of sensitive species in the first place. You're free to follow those recommendations - or not - in your own personal birding activities. But many organizations have developed guidelines (see link above, as only one of many examples) that include these same or similar recommendations. And some listserv managers or moderators have adopted these recommendations. That includes this listserv, as demonstrated by Peter's messages to this effect. For me, it's really just common sense - but not everyone agrees on what constitutes common sense. If you find a sensitive species, just consider what a result might be if you share the information - and if in doubt, err on the side of caution. That's really all I can suggest. Obviously, a lot of folks still disagree with this and related ideas. That's OK. Dialog about this is good. Some folks think it doesn't matter if we play tapes in areas with rare nesting birds. But you will find that there are many organizations who agree with us. (The Nature Conservancy upholds the restriction against tape use on some of its preserves, for example). William P. Mueller Conservation Chair - Wisconsin Society for Ornithology (WSO) (414) 698-9108 Milwaukee, WI E-mail: iltlawas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx On the web: http://home.earthlink.net/~iltlawas/index.html Blog: http://bluebirdslaugh.blogspot.com/ Subject: Re: Observing Owl Question From: "Kevin Kearns" <dkkearns AT charter.net> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:08:52 -0500 Hello all, I know that spring is here and the sightings of birds other than juncos are increasing, but I have not been checking wisbird regularly for about 6-8 months so there is some lag in my responses (if any) nowadays. I would like to revisit the owl post of Peter's in response to Max. There was no discussion or clarification in the post or following the post, it just ended. Reading through Peter's post made it seem that nearly all owl reporting is bad. I hope that I have misread this, but the language seems pretty firm. In the past, we have always refrained from posting roosting locations of Long Eared owls and chided others for doing so. Now however, it seems to have expanded to all owls on a nest. This I have some issue with. For example, Heckrodt in Menasha had a chicken wire basket placed in a tree 30' off the path with a bench provided to watch the owls nest. No signs were placed to point it out, but most people knew where it was. This was there for years before they moved to a different part of the preserve. There are GH Owl nests everywhere so it is not really necessary to post their locations since they are not all that difficult to find, but since they have adapted so readily to nesting in cities, are we now claiming that any human viewing is undesirable?? Andy P correctly points out that owls are magnets for children and a gateway drug of sort to many and are a great resource for recruiting new birders for the next generation. To further expand on this topic, Short eared and Snowy owl locations are routinely posted - or have been in the past. I still see several reports of Short Ears since Max's faux pas and assume that these are okay. How bout Snowies? They regularly return to the same areas yearly in many cases (Freedom, CGI, Horicon) and show up in the middle of dense urban areas frequently. Again, should we avert our eyes when we catch a glimpse in the hopes that no bystander will see what we are looking at and then assume that if they do, they will be ner-do-wells? What about posting locations of areas where owls are frequently heard such as the Arboretum in Madison? Should we refrain from posting our "hearings" to preclude the possibility that someone might come out with a flashlight and a good aim following our postings? I will not touch the photography and owl subject here. Don't even ask!!! All I will say about that is Northern Hawk owl at Harrington Beach, 2005. I am not being sarcastic in my questions or examples, I guess I am looking for clarification on this new apparent stance on owls. Again I may have misread the intention of the post, but if so, that was only due to vaguarities of the post. It is true as someone posted about the screech owls in Oshkosh that some kids did do harm but if we are limiting posts based on someone out there scanning our locations in order to do harm, we should refrain from posting anything that might catch someone's eye. One example is the Fork Tailed Flycatcher from 1999 in Sun Prairie, what if someone wanted that bird for a trophy, they could have set up a net at night in the area that he was and taken him. Would that be our fault for posting? Or any other rare bird that has been consistent in a given location for a given time?? Again, I am not being sarcastic in my post, I have tremendous respect for Peter and Bill M for all that they do. But I am curious. 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