Hi Donna I would like to comment on the first thing you mentioned- how Jack always goes busy even if he already did in the pen. For Met excercise stimulates the need to go. When he was younger especially and we went for busy walks he would actually do two big busy jobs. One initially and one after we had walked some. I just learned to give him a second chance to go as well. Now it does not happen often but he does give me signals when it is needed. I know most with guide dogs remove the harness before they go busy of any kind but I do not. I never could go through all of that. That is one joy of owner training- I can do that how I need to. Met used to pull really weak- pathetic honestly but when he wanted something he would pull faster and that is where the clicking and praise began to become common place. That was at the beginning of the clicker years for me and so I did things the way I felt would work and just clicked and praised. Met is a dog that praise says 10 million words. It worked for us whereas treats just really distracted him so that is how I did that part of things when he was younger. If you are looking for Rox'E who has Millie and gracy and retired Bristol she has not been on this list since moving back to New Orleans. She is sporatically on bviclicker training on yahoo with Julie. Congratulations on Jack btw even if you are not sure he is the dog for you. Its great to hear you have another guide. I really dread the passing of the baton to Met to a successor. I think I will always want it to be Met even though I know that is unrealistic... but he is my first service dog so I think it makes perfect sense. Karyn and Met