Ann, You certainly gave a lot of information in your past few messages! I also thank Karyn for your input too. Wow guys! I wanted to go to Target tonight and took a new bus route. Not knowing the route very well or where to go, it was an adventure! Most public transportation is as you know. But I can tell Mickey's leg feels much better because he was really pulling in the harness. I also wrapped his leash on the handle to extend it a bit and yep, I need a longer handle, it just seems when Mickey pulls, there should be a little more space as i feel crowded with him. So I will have to send off an e-mail to Jlie. I feel more when I"m further back, but too far back I noticed Mickey wobbles and sways back and forth to the right and left. So I can't have too long, and I think two inches will do. I'm wondering if I should be conservative and do 1 1/2 inch longer. But I will play around with the leash as an extendor to get a better feel. The thumb next to the index is working well and YES! I like the front paws on the curb WAY better and it is So much easier to click. So what I have been doing is when his paws hit the curb, I click. He stops and looks at me for the treat. I'm like PERFECT as this is causing a delayed reaction and soon he will conditionally stop with the front paws on the curb. I think his is really going to work. I'm getting giddy about this. Here Mickey's leg is better, he's pulling more and we are really focusing better on curbs. I'm going to reread your posts again and keep reminding myself of things we need to work. Thanks for all your input! It is shedding a great understanding on the concepts now. Christy -- Christy Hill A'Mickey *************** http://home.att.net/~care4k9