[va-bird] Re: va-bird Digest V1 #119
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Subject: va-bird Digest V1 #119
va-bird Digest Wed, 22 May 2002 Volume: 01 Issue: 119
In This Issue:
[va-bird] Monticello Park Directions
[va-bird] Re: Monticello Park Directions
[va-bird] ISO Advice on Blackwater Falls area in West Virgin
[va-bird] Flycatchers and vireos, Phelps WMA, Fauquier Count
[va-bird] Great Falls & Riverbend
[va-bird] e-mail migrations
[va-bird] Re: Black-capped/Carolina line of demarcation
[va-bird] This "Mourning" at Monticello Park
[va-bird] "Late" birds
[va-bird] unsubscribe va-bird
[va-bird] Re: "Late" birds
[va-bird] Dale City yard birds
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From: "Barbara Farron" <bfarron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [va-bird] Monticello Park Directions
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:52:05 -0400
Can someone please give me directions to Monticello Park? We live in
Springfield, VA, and we are familiar with the major area roads.
A web search turned up almost nothing on Monticello Park. It isn't even
listed as a park on the City of Alexandria website!
Many thanks!
Barbara Farron
bfarron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:18:54 -0700
From: Renee Grebe <grebe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [va-bird] Re: Monticello Park Directions
http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?
BFCat=3D&Pyt=3DTmap&newFL=3DUse+Address+Below&addr=3Drussell+and+beverly&csz=3D22305&Count
ry=3Dus&Get%A0Map=3DGet+Map
Hopefully that link will work for everyone - if not:
Go to http://maps.yahoo.com and put in:
Address: Russell Rd At Beverly Dr
Zip: 22305
Then, from there, you can do driving directions from where ever you are. It's
in the Del Ray-ish section of Alexandria - near to the intersection of Russell
Road and West Glebe Road.
The park is just off of Beverly Drive, and from what I rememeber, it's very
small, and stuck in the middle of a nice residential are.
Sorry for posting to the list, but I figure if one person has the question,
many might! :)
-Renee Grebe
Alexandria, VA
Quoting Barbara Farron <bfarron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Can someone please give me directions to Monticello Park? We live in
Springfield, VA, and we are familiar with the major area roads.
A web search turned up almost nothing on Monticello Park. It isn't even
listed as a park on the City of Alexandria website!
Many thanks!
Barbara Farron
bfarron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: "Hudson, Paul" <PBHudson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [va-bird] ISO Advice on Blackwater Falls area in West Virginia??
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 13:35:21 -0400
Does anyone have any recommendations for an intermediate birder for areas
more or less near the Blackwater Falls/Seneca Rocks area for this weekend?
Advice on specific walk locations would be much appreciated, as would be
advice on particular birds that are less common or not present in the DC
area.
Thanks,
Paul
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From: BlkVulture@xxxxxxx
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:54:53 EDT
Subject: [va-bird] Flycatchers and vireos, Phelps WMA, Fauquier County 22 May 2
Greetings...
This morning I birded the Summer Tanager trail at Phelps WMA in southern
Fauquier County, walking to the manmade waterfowl area. I had eight
flycatcher species and four vireos. I'm pretty sure I've never had eight
flycatchers in the same day. They were:
Eastern Wood-pewee, many spots. Yellow-bellied, singing and seen from the
trees between the waterfowl impoundment and the Rappahannock. Acadian, many
spots. Alder, singing and seen in the trees just as the trail enters the
waterfowl area. Mary Argentineau and Larry Robinson had a singing Alder at
the same refuge during the Fauquier County foray last June. I don't recall
specifically where they had that bird. This is the second Alder Flycatcher I
have had in Fauquier this spring, the first found by Chuck Phillips. Least
Flycatcher, one bird from near the parking lot seen and singing. Eastern
Phoebe, one bird, and not seen at Phelps but along 651 between Sumerduck and
Phelps. Great Crested Flycatcher, several. Eastern Kingbird, a few.
Four vireo species were Philadelphia, Yellow-throated, Red-eyed, and
White-eyed. The Philadelphia was singing and found in the parking lot.
Three different singing Summer Tanagers were along the trail. Redstarts were
thick; other warblers were Parula, Pine, Prairie, Blackpolls everywhere,
Black-and-white, Ovenbirds, Louisiana Waterthrush, Common Yellowthroat,
Hooded Warbler, and lots of Chats.
Cheers...
Todd
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Jeffersonton, VA
Culpeper County
Blkvulture@xxxxxxx
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From: "ALDEN HINCKLEY" <ecologist123@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [va-bird] Great Falls & Riverbend
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 15:08:34 -0400
Went to Great Falls National Park this morning (May 22nd); parked in the
North lot and hiked up to Riverbend Park; then back down again, doing
the Swamp Trail loop in Great Falls Park. Must have been something
in the air because that adds up to a 5 mile hike!
Species seen (or heard):
D-C Cormorant
Great Blue Heron
Canada Goose
Mallard
Spotted Sandpiper
Mourning Dove
Chimney Swifts
Belted Kingfisher
Red-bellied Woodpecker
N. Flicker
Pileated Woodpecker
E. Wood-Pewee
E. Phoebe
Tree Swallow
Blue Jay
Am. Crow
Carolina Chickadee
Tufted Titmouse
White-breasted Nuthatch
Carolina Wren
Blue-gray Gnatcatcher
Wood Thrush
Am. Robin
Starling
Red-eyed Vireo
N. Parula
B&W Warbler
Ovenbird
Louisiana Waterthrush
Common Yellowthroat
Cardinal
Chipping Sparrow
Song Sparrow
Sparrow ? sp.
R-W Blackbird
Grackle
Baltimore Oriole
Goldfinch.
I'll sleep well tonight!
Dex Hinckley
703-354-1342
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Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 13:27:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: gene daniels <datakoll@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [va-bird] e-mail migrations
your e-mail on the bird migration was outstanding. if anyone has a boat tail
grackle group in continuous observation and =
has interest in an animal communication project and network, e-mail when i
reopen the mail box in two weeks. read ICJ 1 a=
nd 2 at groups google sci.bio.ethology "ENDANGERED SPECIES'. many birds are
capable of communication, the logger head shr=
ike for example, florida shrikes associated with the grackle project would at
their leisure repeat morse-grackle during r=
elevant situations. i left a consumed can of chili beans with attached lid down
inside my garage door overnite. at 7am th=
e local shrike greeted me from the telephone wire above the fence gate with a
creak, creak( pause) creak. the extra creak=
in grackle morse being "to the [point". on seeing the can and raising it from
the floor i found a delectable can of palm=
etto bugs. good eyesight!!
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From: "Sattler, Eugene D." <edsattle@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [va-bird] Re: Black-capped/Carolina line of demarcation
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:15:24 -0400
Sandy,
At Basye, three miles or so from the Shenandoah Valley and in a lower
elevation river valley, a fair number of the chickadees are likely to be
hybrids. That is a reasonable statement because at Wolf Gap, about 10 miles
NE of Basye, and about the same distance from the Shenandoah Valley, genetic
screening has estimated the proportion of hybrids there to be about 35%. At
Basye you might even occasionally encounter some abnormalities in song, such
as an occasional bilingual bird, even though Blackcap might be its
predominant song. But a lot of the chickadees there are also likely to be
pure Blackcaps. You just won't be able to tell which are which, either by
appearance or by song, regardless of what it sings. A few miles to the west
of Basye, up on the top of Great North Mountain, bordering West Virginia,
there would almost certainly be only Blackcap song heard, and I think any
birder would consider the birds there to be Blackcaps, even though it is
probable that genetic screening would show a small percentage of hybrids to
be present technically (that is backcross hybrids with a low percentage of
Carolina Chickadee genes, as opposed to first generation F1 hybrids). If
you wanted to be as sure as you could without the use of genetic markers
that a bird singing a Blackcap song in Virginia was really a "pure" Blackcap
you would probably pick the highest elevations of Highland County, although
no genetic screening has been done there. But from a birding perspective,
it is reasonable to call chickadees Blackcaps throughout most of the Ridge
and Valley Province, as long as you were not within perhaps 3-5 miles of
known Carolina singing populations, or hearing any Carolina song in that
population.
Gene Sattler
Lynchburg, VA
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From: Sandy Cash [
mailto:scash@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 11:38 PM
To: va-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [va-bird] Black-capped/Carolina line of demarcation
Hi all,
I know that the border between Black-capped and Carolina
Chickadees is less of a border than a long zone of mixing and
intermingling, a sort of genetic DMZ...but are there areas of VA in
which one can be reasonably certain that what one sees is a Black-
capped? For instance, what about Great North Mountain, west of
Basye (Shenandoah County)?
I'm asking b/c I remember a recent post on the subject of genetic
markers for these species, and as Black-cappeds are *very* hard
to get in NC, even in the high mountains, I thought I'd see whether
the area around my mother's place (in Basye, surprise) might be a
place I could snag these.
Best to all,
-Sandy
--
Sandy Cash
Durham, NC
scash@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: "Matt Orsie" <morsie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [va-bird] This "Mourning" at Monticello Park
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 19:34:31 -0400
Yep, he's still there and gives you some great looks. Just walk along the
middle path that follows the stream and get to about the middle of the park.
Wait, and he'll find you. Spent a couple of hours this morning birding this
cool little postage stamp sized park. The birds love it.... mixed habitats.
Also saw a Scarlet Tanager. More female warblers are now coming through.
Warblers for the outing:
Northern Parula (male)
Black-throated Blue (male and female)
Yellow-rumped (females)
Blackpoll (males)
Black-and-white (female)
American Redstart (tons of females)
Ovenbird
Mourning (male)
Common Yellowthroat (male)
Canada (male)
It's a great place...give it a try,
Matt Orsie
Summit Point, WV
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From: StephenDEccles@xxxxxxx
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 20:48:27 EDT
Subject: [va-bird] "Late" birds
I had a couple of 'late' warblers today, both in Rutherford Park, Fairfax,
Va: a couple of Yellow-rumped Warblers (one male and one female, together in
a bunch of Blackpolls) and a female Nashville Warbler. By 'late', I mean
outside the dates given in the VSO Blue Book - through May 15 for YRWA and
through May 10 for the Nashville. I see that others are still reporting
Yellow-rumps, but I haven't seen recent reports on Nashville.
So I have a question for the information gurus: when is it helpful to report
'early' or 'late' birds?
I presume the matter is of some importance since I assume that those who
update the Blue Book (one due anytime now?) need such information. While I
realize that the Blue Book is way out of date, it is all we have at the
moment. So, when it tells me that the normally expected dates for the
Nashville Warbler in the Piedmont in spring migration are 30Apr-10 May, what
is worth reporting from this point of view? Anything outside those dates? Or
only sightings at least a week outside them? Or perhaps even sightings within
these dates, but close to the limits?
Of course, one should continue to report all sightings as part of wider
reporting on field trips. But I suspect that a lot of potentially useful
information goes unreported.
I would welcome some guidance from those who actually use the data.
Stephen Eccles
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From: "Peggy Kenney" <mkenney@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [va-bird] unsubscribe va-bird
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:55:03 -0400
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From: "Steve and Heather Rottenborn" <rottenborn@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [va-bird] Re: "Late" birds
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 23:04:17 -0400
Stephen,
You wrote:
So I have a question for the information gurus: when is it helpful to
report
'early' or 'late' birds?
I presume the matter is of some importance since I assume that those who
update the Blue Book (one due anytime now?) need such information. While I
realize that the Blue Book is way out of date, it is all we have at the
moment. So, when it tells me that the normally expected dates for the
Nashville Warbler in the Piedmont in spring migration are 30Apr-10 May,
what
is worth reporting from this point of view? Anything outside those dates?
Or
only sightings at least a week outside them? Or perhaps even sightings
within
these dates, but close to the limits?
I'm updating the Blue Book for the VSO. We hope to have it finished and
printed by Spring 2004 at the latest.
For the most part, the date spans given in the Blue Book are approximate,
average ranges of when the bulk of the individuals of a given species are
present in (or move through) a given physiographic province. The Blue Book
specifically lists extreme dates for some species, indicating the range of
the earliest and latest dates known (at the time that the Blue Book was
written) for the species within a physiographic province.
To make sure that the updated annotated checklist is as accurate as
possible, I'd appreciate hearing about any records that fall close to the
ends of the date spans listed in the Blue Book (i.e., including records
within the dates but close to the limits, as well as records outside of
those limits). If a record falls outside of "extreme dates" listed in the
Blue Book, please send me the info.
As you wrote, many of the peak counts, extreme dates, etc. in the Blue Book
are out of date. If records that supersede or add to the information in the
Blue Book have been published in American Birds/Field Notes/North American
Birds, then I have those records. I also have reports made to the VA BIRDS
list over the past two years. However, I would welcome hearing about any
other records that "beat" the info listed in the Blue Book, or that anyone
thinks might be significant for any reason.
Thanks in advance for any information you can provide!
Steve Rottenborn
4086 Tarpon Lane
Woodbridge, VA 22193
rottenborn@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: "Steve and Heather Rottenborn" <rottenborn@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [va-bird] Dale City yard birds
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 23:08:32 -0400
Virginia Birders,
This evening I got good looks at a singing Philadelphia Vireo in our yard (in
Dale City, Prince William County). This sp=
ecies is fairly rare in spring in VA, but it seems as though an unusually large
number have been reported (at least in no=
rthern VA) in the past week or so.
We also have a nesting pair of Cooper's Hawks in a Virginia pine in our yard --
they seem to be incubating at this time.
Good birding,
Steve Rottenborn
rottenborn@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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