Based on your description I thought it might be a red shouldered hawk. But I zoomed in on the photos and I think it might be a juvenile Cooper's hawk. As others have indicated, it certainly doesn't have a body like a buteo, but more like an accipter. It also appears to have tear-drop shaped markings on it's breast which would indicate a juvenile if indeed a Copper's hawk. Liz Gayner Roseburg On Oct 11, 2014 12:43 PM, "Toni M" <creekwood@xxxxxxxxxx <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','creekwood@xxxxxxxxxx');>> wrote: > If anyone is familiar w/hawks, PLEASE provide any help/thoughts to > help identify this hawk ( > http://s865.photobucket.com/user/TeeMcDee/media/100_1468.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0. > There are 3 photos (sorry for poor quality-it flew off if I came any > closer). They are new to my So/East County area. The bird is not large, as > it struggled to drag a collared dove up a sloped area. It is brown on top > but there seems to be some rufous? coloring around the shoulders. It had a > long tail which appeared to be banded??. The red tailed hawks that are > commonly found here are gone for the winter. Previously sighted hawks > include sharp-shinned, Cooper's, Pygmy. > > Toni M > South County >