Ken, I would say G. parthenice. If G. virgo and G parthenice are like Apantesis nais and A. phalerata..... Notice where the a.m. or p.m. lines connect to the line at the top of the wing. A. nais is a right angle; A phalerata is an obtuse angle. G. parthenice is a right angle and G virgo is an obtuse angle. (Don't go by my word..... just a guess) Jean Obrist ----- Original Message ----- From: kjchilds To: TN Moths Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 10:25 AM Subject: [tn-moths] which Grammia? Probably G. virgo or G. parthenice but there's no info on Bugguide to help differentiate the 2 and since it seems that all of these tigers are variable, I'm not sure which one I have. http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/IMG_3340.jpg http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/IMG_3337.jpg Ken Childs Henderson, TN Chester County http://www.finishflagfarms.com