Ken the first one is 6042 Peoria longipalpella and the third one is 5362 Crambus agitatellus. Not sure about Crambinae in the middle. Rich -----Original Message----- From: kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> To: TN Moths <tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; ncsc-moths <ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:38 am Subject: [tn-moths] Grass Moth help needed I haven't been able to find these two. I'm not sure whether the second one has lost it's "snout" or if maybe it isn't even a Grass Moth. http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/IMG_6508.jpg http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/IMG_6489.jpg At first glance I thought this was just a nicely marked 5362 Crambus agitatellus but then I saw 5362.1 Crambus alboclavellus. There seems to be some concern over whether or not C. alboclavellus is a valid species. Any thoughts on this? http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/IMG_6496.jpg Ken Childs Henderson, TN Chester County http://tinyurl.com/Kens-Moths-2011 http://tinyurl.com/Night-Creatures http://www.finishflagfarms.com