I was reading somewhere that if the lighting is right and you can see the dark border in the terminal area of the forewing, you can use that to separate Orange from Clouded. On males, if that dark border extends past the row of black dots, it's an Orange and if it doesn't, it's a Clouded. On females, an Orange will have large yellow spots within the border and a Clouded with have small yellow spots. The images on BOLD appear to show this is true. From: Bart Jones <bjones7777@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: TNButterflies <tn-butterflies@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 11:24 PM Subject: [TN-Butterflies] Haywood County Butterflies <!--#yiv8000399407 .yiv8000399407hmmessage P{margin:0px;padding:0px;}#yiv8000399407 body.yiv8000399407hmmessage{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}-->Spent the day at O'Neal Lake at the Hatchie NWR in Haywood County. While I was looking mainly for birds, I did happen to see my first butterflies of the year! It was hard to believe there was 4 inches of sleet and snow on the ground last week with the temperature at 74 today. Gorgeous day! Polygonia spp. - 4 (Probably both Eastern Comma and Question Mark as 2 were small and 2 were fairly large) Mourning Cloak - 1 Orange Sulphur - 1 (these spring Orange Sulphurs are really yellow, but note the hint of orange and the heavy dark overscaling) Bart Jones Memphis, Shelby County