[THIN] Re: blades versus VMWARE
- From: "Luchette, Jon" <JLuchette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 18:21:07 -0400
Chris,
Thanks for your replies here. We do actually have a SAN in place so your
last statement sounds good. What is the difference between VMWARE ESX and
GSX? You said that we would need a SAN to fully utilize all the advantages
of ESX, so I am assuming with ESX we are talking about actual VMWARE
hardware and that would be significantly more expensive? Am I mistaken?
What are the differences between ESX and GSX and why would we benefit more
from ESX based on what you know about my environment already?
TY
/jL
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lynch [mailto:lynch00@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 5:30 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: blades versus VMWARE
Comments inline.
Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Luchette, Jon
> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 2:11 PM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: blades versus VMWARE
>
> Well, I work for a hospital so:
>
> 100% uptime is a must. Even our reboot schedule is set up so
> that Zero downtime is needed.
> Our core applications are mainly the Office 2k suite, Outlook
> XP, and our main HIS app (meditech magic).
> We have about 30 users per each of the seven boxes right now.
> I would say that all in all our servers at not near max utilization.
> Currently we do not really have any set DR requirements, it
> is just "get that server up and get it up fast..."
Eww! Meditech.
>
> However we are looking at HP's rapid deployment pack for
> imaging/restoring our Citrix boxes, as it supposedly plays
> nice with remapped drives on MF boxes whereas some of the
> other big boys like Ghost and Imagecast do not necessarily.
I have had success with Ghost and V2i. HP's RD is a cool utility.
>
> That is another thing, we were looking at HP's Blades, and
> they (HP) kept using the imaging/restore/DR capabilities of
> their Blades and their RDP (rapid deployment kit) as a main
> selling point for buying Blades, and the truth is that you
> can run that utility just as effectively with DL360's as with
> Blades! So when we walked out of there, in our minds all we
> were left with as an advantage to Blades with Citrix, was
> less rack space, and that is not reason enough for me to
> convert my entire farm from DL360's to Blades...
If you are going to get the BL series from HP, then the only way to install
the OS on their blades.
>
> I just think where I have a set amount of money that I can
> spend, either on Blades or on VMWare, I would think there
> would be more advantage to going the VMWare route. I think
> this because our main concern is with DR and rolling out new
> apps, patches, and hotfixes in the middle of the day without
> downtime. If you think about it, with hardware becoming less
> and less expensive, the whole idea behind VMWare goes a long way.
Yes it does. Then, I would probably go the ESX route with VirtualCenter.
But, do keep in mind that if you want to fully utilize all of the features
(mainly Vmotion), you will need a SAN in place where your ESX server will be
connected to.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Lynch [mailto:lynch00@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 4:47 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: blades versus VMWARE
>
>
> You would need to provide more info on the install. What is
> the average
> utilization of your servers? What apps do you run? How many
> users log into
> your servers? Average? Max? What is your current DR
> requirements? What
> is your time to recovery SLA? All of this should dictate
> which route you
> go.
>
> Chris
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Luchette, Jon
> > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 1:36 PM
> > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: blades versus VMWARE
> >
> > Because I can not buy both. It is either VMWare or Blades. Money is
> > tight.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shonk, Joe - Perot [mailto:JShonk@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 11:48 AM
> > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: blades versus VMWARE
> >
> >
> > So why not run VMWare on blades?
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Luchette, Jon [mailto:JLuchette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 8:20 AM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] blades versus VMWARE
> >
> >
> > Just wanted to get a discussion going on a decision that I am trying
> > to tackle in terms of MF... Right now our environment looks
> > like this: seven
> > MF servers running MF XP FR3 on Windows 2k Server sp4, 2
> > NFuse servers also
> > with CSG installed on both running Win2k Advanced Server
> sp4, and all
> > servers are Compaq DL 360's (some G1, some G2) with dual
> > 1ghz processors
> > and 2gb RAM, we have a SAN now (HP EVA 5000) but are not
> > currently housing
> > any MF data on it.
> >
> > Ideally we would be able to install MF on some new blade servers,
> > house the data on the SAN, and utilize VMWARE as well. That is not
> > going to happen
> > here, we just don't have the money for it. However, we may
> > have the money
> > for either one OR the other. All things considered in
> terms of MF in
> > particular, which one would you rather have in your data
> > center and why? I
> > know they do different things, but when you match those
> > things up against
> > one another, which one has more advantages?
> >
> > /jL
> >
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