[THIN] Re: Recommendations for TS Lic DB and Data Store ALSO IMS/RMS??
- From: Rob Slayden <rslayden@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:03:00 -0700
Thanks Brian. There's quite a bit of useful information in those 2 cents.
Unfortunately, we will not have AD up before this farm is deployed, but we
will be migrating it to AD later. We are planning on purchasing BL20p blade
servers as we have nearly maxed out our 4500 sq. ft. data center. Most of
our current server hardware implementations are being done on the blade
infratructure. We have 16 BL10e servers and are ordering more and we just
racked 16 BL20p blade servers. The whole arrangement is pretty sweet,
including the fibre-channel patch panels that enable FC capability from each
BL server when coupled with the FC mezzanine cards. The power, air, and
space requirements are substantially reduced with the blade infrastruture
and the RDP deployment server enables the rapid deployment of software. Not
sure yet exactly how well it will work with XP but there is a Compaq (oops,
I mean HP) white paper that explains the process step-by-step.
I had not considered purchasing XPs instead of XPe as I thought the IMS and
RMS products were much imrpoved in the latest versions. However, I have no
experience with the latest versions.
Does anyone use the IMS and RMS products or has everyone implemented
alternative solutions?
Thanks for the recommendations!
rob
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Murphy [mailto:brian_murphy@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:15 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Recommendations for TS Lic DB and Data Store
Importance: High
Good questions.
I'd like to throw in my 2 cents.
1. If you plan on having more than 10 boxes I recommend a dedicated SQL
2000 Server with nightly SQL Dumps of the database.
2. The TS License service does not take much in the way of resources.
Location depends on your AD structure.
Are you taking advantage of Active Directory in this scenario?
If so, start with the AD Design itself. I like to recommend a "clean" root
with a "child" root. 3 AD Controllers in each domain. You can run a TS
Enterprise Scope on the Primary Root and host all your secondary dns zones
in the Primary Root.
Hardware:
I prefer the Compaq DL380 G3 servers for Citrix Application Boxes. I prefer
Windows 2003 as the base OS. Use Compaq Support Pack 6.4a with
Hyperthreading Enabled. Use Citrix Xpe (or Xpa) FR3 SP3 (Build specific to
2003 OS)... Make sure you set you Feature Release level that you are
currently licensed for on each server in the CMC Console.
I gave you the choice of Xpa or Xpe because you definitely want to load
balance but there are better products for monitoring and the deployment of
your applications.
For monitoring of the servers I would recommend NET IQ or MOM with NetIQ
packs. For software deployment I would recommend Altiris combined with
Installshield Admin Studio.
Hope this helps.
-Murphy
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Slayden [mailto:rslayden@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:rslayden@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ]
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:00 PM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Recommendations for TS Lic DB and Data Store
We are in the process of designing a small new farm that will start out as 5
servers (3 HP BL20p blade servers and 2 PL6400s), but has the potential to
grow into a large farm in a few months or so depending upon the user
experience. It may end up as large as 33 to 45 servers, supporting as many
as 3800+ users, with 3 published apps. The initial design will support 300
users with 2 published apps. We are kicking around ideas for the TS
Licensing database and the Citrix datastore (Access or SQL). Using the
Citrix doc (Planning Your MF Farm) to determine type of datastore, it
appears that we are LARGE for number of users, but MEDIUM for servers and
SMALL for pub apps. My gut feeling is that I want to deploy the datastore on
SQL Server 2000 and not Access, so I am equipped to grow into an
enterprise-size farm. What are the thoughts from the trenches?
The other issue is the TS Lic. Database. For 3800 devices, what kind of
hardware are you guys using and are you running this on the datastore server
or on its own dedicated hardware platform?
Any and all comments are appreciated!
Thanks!
Rob Slayden
24 Hour Fitness, Inc.
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