I don't know. It's a cool idea from a technology point of view BUT. I mean what it really is is a SINGLE USER TERMINAL SERVER ... that is where the windows XP remote control technology came from anyway. I mean in most cases if a customer is looking to consolidate their PCs into the terminal server arena (the closet the server room etc) there are several common reasons to leave the PC on the desktop Some technical some not: 1. Non-multiuser apps 2. Video intensive apps like Video streaming (that even when done via Citrix and works ok it kills the network because the Citrix traffic that just got FAT is not multi-cast but normal video could be) 3. processor intensive applications like CAD etc (also video intensive I know) 4. Users Want a "PC" on their desktop not a "terminal", need that floppy driver or CD and sound etc. 5. The feeling of taking something away from the user. Etc. Anyway out of those 5 only two would be successful as a replacement for terminal server (Processor intensive and non multiuser apps). The others still leave the same problems terminal servers have. Video transmission (no longer multicast) and run through RDP or a look alike protocol, No PC on the desktop and instead a Terminal . and the users wind up with a feeling they had something taken away. And now you have a bunch of mini-me terminal servers you have to manage. Anyway I see it as another piece in the tool box that may be a pretty small niche at least for a few years. I guess my thoughts are that the entire industry is looking at consolidation and using technology to fully utilize hardware resources (like VMWARE, terminal server/Citrix etc.) instead of have 20 1 ghz processors at 15% utilization all day they want fewer procs and let them share time (let them eat cake as it were) </RANT> Ron Oglesby Senior Technical Architect RapidApp Office 312.372.7188 Mobile 815.325.7618 email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Booth [mailto:jennifer.booth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:10 PM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Blade Desktops?? Check this out...it's got a ways to go, but could be an interesting technology, particularly for development/support/QA. From http://msn-cnet.com.com/2100-1003_3-5102943.html?part=msn-cnet&subj=cdf&; tag= mymsn: Hewlett-Packard will try to take the desktop off the desk later this month, when it formally unveils the Consolidated Client Infrastructure, its latest blade computing system for corporations. Under CCI, a user's data and software runs on a centrally managed rack of blade computers and storage devices. Individuals can use handhelds, keyboards, terminals or even PCs and notebooks to tap into their data. The system differs from terminal, or thin client, systems in that all users work on full-fledged Windows XP PCs that are assigned to them--the computers just happen to be in a closet. In terminal systems, users are working on a sliver of server space. Consolidating computing power in this manner can reduce information technology management costs, according to advocates, and can also make it a lot easier to get individuals back online if a PC crashes. Austin, Texas-based start-up ClearCube Technology came out with the first bladed desktop systems. The company has installed bladed desktop systems at financial institutions and at some military installations. IBM has resold some ClearCube systems, but HP is the first major manufacturer to develop and market its own blade-based desktop system. To date, the blade concept has been mostly used to squeeze servers and communication equipment more efficiently into racks. HP's interest in bladed desktops first came to light in May. The company is expected to discuss CCI at Comdex, the annual computing trade show that begins Nov. 16 in Las Vegas. HP sent out a statement that the company will discuss there under nondisclosure agreements "a new business computing model that offers customers greater manageability, flexibility and long-term cost savings." HP could not be reached for comment. Typically, the company does not comment on unannounced products. Although HP is expected to tout that CCI can cut desktop management costs by up to 50 percent, the hardware isn't cheap. A blade with a 1GHz Intel Pentium M processor and a hard drive will cost about $2,000, according to sources. A blade that has a 1.8GHz Efficeon Transmeta processor will cost $1,000. To access data, HP is recommending that corporations adopt HP terminals, which also contain Transmeta processors. Jennifer ******************************************************** This Week's Sponsor - RTO Software / TScale What's keeping you from getting more from your terminal servers? Did you know, in most cases, CPU Utilization IS NOT the single biggest constraint to scaling up?! Get this free white paper to understand the real constraints & how to overcome them. 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