Yeah, good point Mike This started as one thread, and then I took it in a different direction. Probably should have been a new thread. Bottom Line: (1) I've confirmed that you can't get a 5-user XPe starter kit. So if you want to build a small isolated test lab to play with IM and RM, you'll have to buy the 20-user kit. (2) For large load simulations, I still don't know how to get a test license from Citrix. I guess you'll just have to use the customers real licenses installed in a lab. In most cases, customers of this size have some enterprise agreement or something with Citrix, so it's not an issue. I was just wondering if anyone knew what I would need to be able to do that in my own lab without a customer, but I guess it's not possible. Thanks for everyones' replies, Brian Brian Madden brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx +1.202.302.3657 Visit www.brianmadden.com for in-depth Citrix, Terminal Server, and server-based computing news and analysis, white papers, downloadable videos, and product reviews. -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Hiester Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:46 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: 5 user XP starter kit Wow, you must be really important and influential to have a whole company not like you. LOL It's interesting that a request for the 5 user starter to load test software has turned into a rant against the same software company. Quote: Yeah, since I left HP, I don't have any kind of "official" relationship with Citrix. The problem is that Citrix doesn't like what I write. They think my website is full of lies and half-truths about Bear Paw and about Microsoft's relationship with New Moon and Jetro, etc, etc. In fact, one of Citrix's VPs told me last year that my site was "damaging the industry." He said that customers were upset when I wrote things like "will Bear Paw be a Citrix killer?" A lot of my friends who are SEs at Citrix called me and asked me to change it, but do I really want to change articles because the company I'm writing about doesn't like them? If no one challenges anything Citrix says, are we really better? In my opinion, I think these articles start a good dialog and make people think instead of everyone always drinking the vendors' Kool-Aid. Citrix feels that I sensationalize articles just to get readers. I feel differently. But, it's a free country and Citrix can do what they want, so that's fine with me. I think it would be great if Citrix gave me NFR licenses, but if they would rather have my $6,000 for a 20-user XPe starter kit just so I can write about it, then so be it. I love Citrix. I make my living from Citrix. ..Just calling a foul doesn't mean you hate the game. Brian ******************************************************** This weeks sponsor triCerat Inc. triCerat makes your job easier by offering essential applications to eliminate your printing, policy and profile, and your application management problems. http://www.triCerat.com ********************************************************** Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: http://thin.net/links.cfm *********************************************************** For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: http://thin.net/citrixlist.cfm ******************************************************** This weeks sponsor Emergent Online. Emergent OnLine is the leading server-based computing consulting integration firm in the nation. Emergent OnLine delivers expert consulting services you can depend on. http://www.go-eol.com ********************************************************** Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: http://thin.net/links.cfm *********************************************************** For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: http://thin.net/citrixlist.cfm