I just want to chime in that Jan and I are with Vicki. Something just didn't look right on those birds for Tundra Swans. Even in my very poor pictures the bills look to big although the black does not appear to go all the way back to the eye like in Trumpeter. Maybe they will get closer one day where they can be seen better. The wind and distance just didn't give really good looks even through a scope. David Edit your Freelists account settings for TEXBIRDS at //www.freelists.org/list/texbirds Reposting of traffic from TEXBIRDS is prohibited without seeking permission from the List Owner