[TechAssist] Re: [Tech Assist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and partnumber and cross
- From: "Edward Gaidies" <teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:56:02 -0500
Wilf;
That would just give them another excuse to go to Wallymart. ;-)
-Ed-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wilfred Blakey" <wblakey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:31 AM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [Tech Assist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix
and partnumber and cross
>
> I agree with you on the fact that we knock ourselves out trying to please
> the customer and the companies trying to please them and doing it for
> nothing.
> Why don't we all go on holidays for a while and see how these people like
> "NO SERVICE"?
> Blakey TV
> Kirkland Lake,Ont.,Canada
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Administration" <admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:51 AM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [Tech Assist] Re: Mode switch for these combos
fix
> and partnumber and cross
>
>
> >
> > Jeff,
> > I recently moved my shop in with a friend that has an appliance
repair
> > shop. Most all of his work is service call stuff and his shop was about
> > vacant most of the time. He earns big dollars working on high end
> appliances
> > and commercial microwaves. He was a service manager at Wards and used to
> > also repair television. He laughs and says he would rather work on the
> > "no-brainers" as he calls it, "for real money". A lot of his work is
> > warranty work and pays very well. Makes you kind of wonder why we choose
> to
> > work so hard for less and less. When a manufacturer needs our help tech
> > support is easily available but if we call them next week or month on
> > something that was not sent from them the help is a lot harder to get if
> you
> > can get it at all. Well I am done complaining now.
> >
> >
> > J. Knoll
> > Administration
> > www.tech-assist.org
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Lyles Tv
> > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:45 AM
> > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
> > partnumber and cross
> >
> >
> >
> > My dept is right next to the appliance dept. What gets me is how the
> > appliance department can make good money, and need far less education.
> Not
> > to insult anyone, but fixing appliances is not that hard. Keeping up
with
> > TV technology is very demanding. I've never seen an appliance
technician
> > repair a circuit board. I suppose I've just answered my own question
> about
> > viability in the future. It'll take a couple of weeks to learn
> appliances,
> > and I can make more money. With tv's, the education never stops.
Heeeyy
> > maybe I could make more by repairing those CBA's on appliances.
> > (this is realism mixed with satire, please don't get bent out of shape)
> > Jeff Farnsworth
> > Lyles TV and Appliance
> > 17 S Washington St
> > Elkhorn, Wi. 53121
> > ph 262-723-3477
> > fax 262-723-3658
> > tech@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "teltek2" <teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 7:38 PM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
partnumber
> > and cross
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Better subject for the Chat list, but different people will have
> different
> > > spins on this subject.
> > > I for one would rather repair 2 VCR's at $25, than Zero VCR's at $50.
> As
> > I
> > > mentioned previously, don't pass this info on to your customers. Just
> > keeps
> > > me from saying.."Do you want fries with that"?
> > > C'mon folks...we all know where this type of business is heading, just
> > make
> > > the best of it.
> > > You,... young guys that still have a chance to bail out, do it
> > now...and
> > > leave, what's left to us "Old Fellows". Right Al...??
> > >
> > > -Ed-
> > > Tel-Tek Electronics
> > > Ontario-Canada
> > >
> > > teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "David Lessard" <mrfixit@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:09 PM
> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
> partnumber
> > > and cross
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Finally someone said something!
> > > >
> > > > David Lessard
> > > > mrfixit@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jeff Dougherty
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:00 PM
> > > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
> > > > partnumber and cross
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Joe,
> > > > How do you know how much it costs to keep my doors open, or Joe
> Schmoe,
> > > down
> > > > the
> > > > street.
> > > > You, in no way, can determine how much it costs to keep anyone's
doors
> > > open,
> > > > but
> > > > your own.
> > > > There are many factors to take into consideration before "YOU" tell
> me,
> > or
> > > > anyone,
> > > > how much they should be charging. What works for you, may not work
for
> > the
> > > > guy in
> > > > CA.
> > > > I bet your competitors have a different cost of doing business than
> you
> > > do.
> > > > You have no right, or knowledge, to tell anyone else how much they
> > should
> > > be
> > > > charging to do repairs.
> > > > Jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > FAX 717-564-4952
> > > > Jeff Dougherty
> > > > Intrepid Video & Electronics Be careful of your thoughts.
> > > > 501 Luther Rd They may become your words
> > > > Harrisburg, PA 17111 any moment.
> > > > 717-909-8844
> > > > VCR tips, electronics info & general interest.
> > > > www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net
> > > > www.thetoolcaddy.com www.9-11-2001tragedy.com
> > > >
> ***********************************************************************
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Joe Batchelor" <jbc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:12 PM
> > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
> > partnumber
> > > > and
> > > > cross
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You charge $20 for a free estimate?
> > > > I do not fault you because I do not give a free estimate either,
> > > > but I do not tell anyone that it is free.
> > > >
> > > > Your $40 hour goes into replacing shop supplies, schematics and
> > > > new equipment purchases, but what about rent, lights, water, gas,
> > > insurance,
> > > > phone, taxes, accounting, advertising, warranty work, vacation pay?
> > > >
> > > > Many years ago I worked with an old man that said that he might
starve
> > to
> > > > death,
> > > > but he was not going to do it working his butt off.
> > > >
> > > > I understand the problem of low priced VCR's, but that does not
> change
> > > the
> > > > cost of doing business. If it costs $100 an hour to keep the doors
> > open,
> > > > then
> > > > collecting $40 is just putting off the final result.
> > > >
> > > > Joe Batchelor CET TX-80
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 12/10/02 10:31:53 AM, "David Lessard" <mrfixit@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > >We truly live in a throw away world. You can buy one of those
crappy
> > > stereo
> > > > >VCR's today for about $90 CDN. If it lasted 3 - 5 years would you
> > > honestly
> > > > >spend $60 - $80 to repair it, probably not, and that is a problem
for
> > > > repair
> > > > >shops today trying to make money. I provide free estimates for all
my
> > > > >customers, I also explain that if for whatever reason the repair is
> not
> > > > >practical, i.e. too much money, the refused estimate is only $20.
> > > Needless
> > > > >to say I try to repair everything I can, within reason of course.
> This
> > > > >usually means flat rating jobs because sometimes those nasty
> > > intermittents
> > > > >hold up the diagnosis and/or repair, other times there are no
> resources
> > > > >(working blind - no schematic). I ask my customers how much do they
> > want
> > > to
> > > > >spend upfront, and if the repair cost exceeds that amount I call
them
> > > with
> > > > >the estimate. In this way I can repair things while open rather
then
> > > > >tracking the customer down for repair approval, it works for me. My
> > rate
> > > is
> > > > >$40 hour and most of that goes into replacing shop supplies,
> schematics
> > > and
> > > > >new equipment purchases. In the end I work for about $10 - $15
hour,
> > > almost
> > > > >not worth it, but it's in my blood :-)
> > > > >
> > > > >David Lessard
> > > > >Alexandria Electronics
> > > > >mrfixit@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >(613)525-4502
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >[mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Leonard G.
> > > > >Caillouet
> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:03 AM
> > > > >To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
> > > > >partnumber and cross
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >We are fortunate not to have to depend on VCRs and combos for a
> > > significant
> > > > >part of our business. We charge a $30 fee up front for estimates,
> > which
> > > > >applies to the repair cost if the estimate is accepted. We charge
a
> > > > minimum
> > > > >of $40 labor for cleaning and very minor repairs. For a mode
switch
> > > > >cleaning or replacement we charge $60 or $80 depending on the
amount
> of
> > > > >disassemble required. This makes a lot of repairs not economical
and
> > we
> > > > >explain this to the customer up front. I can't justify charging
less
> > > when
> > > > >we could be doing TVs and RPTV and making money. I figure a
minimum
> of
> > > $60
> > > > >an hour to keep the doors open.
> > > > >
> > > > >Leonard G. Caillouet
> > > > >Service Manager
> > > > >Electronics World
> > > > >Gainesville, FL
> > > > >352-332-5608
> > > > >352-332-5668 (fax)
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Electric Medic" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 2:22 AM
> > > > >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
> > partnumber
> > > > >and cross
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> We always get at least $49 on vcr repairs. The customer has to
> leave
> > > $35
> > > > >> when they drop it off. If they do not want to put that in it,
then
> we
> > > do
> > > > >not
> > > > >> even have to look at it. Once we get the $35, we always almost
> charge
> > > > more
> > > > >> for the final repair, usually $20 or $30 more, plus parts. It
must
> > not
> > > > >seem
> > > > >> as hard if they break it down in two payments. VCR's are at least
> 30%
> > > of
> > > > >our
> > > > >> business. For everyone that knows about or wants to buy a new
cheap
> > > one,
> > > > >> there is one that wants to have their original fixed. And I am
> > thankful
> > > > >for
> > > > >> that. We also have to fix many under warranty, some Manufacturers
> pay
> > > us
> > > > >$85
> > > > >> labor to fix a VCR. I will let our customers know what the
> > > manufacturers
> > > > >pay
> > > > >> to have one fixed, then it doesn't seem to bad for the customer
to
> > pay
> > > > it.
> > > > >>
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> > > > >> From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >> [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Gary
McCartney
> > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 1:36 AM
> > > > >> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
> > > > >> partnumber and cross
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Jeff, thats great if you can get that much, but how do you manage
> to
> > > get
> > > > >> it? Do you still offer the long warranties that you once did?
What
> do
> > > > >> you do if a unit requires major parts such as heads? Do you eat
the
> > > cost
> > > > >> of the part, or do you offer to do the job for a higher amount?
> > Around
> > > > >> here I can barely get $49.00 CDN for a VCR repair, unless it is a
> > > higher
> > > > >> end unit and the customer remembers paying $600.00 for it when it
> was
> > > > >> new, plus they also have to understand that the new ones are
junk.
> I
> > > > >> remind people of the junk factor all the time but they still
would
> > > > >> rather buy the Walleymart one year wonder. (wonder if it will
work
> > for
> > > a
> > > > >> year, that is, hehehe)
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Gary McCartney
> > > > >>
> > > > >> McCartney Electronics
> > > > >> 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > > >> Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > > > >> Fax: (519)821-1530
> > > > >> email: gary (at) number63.ca
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Jeff Dougherty wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I've started charging a flat $49.00 fee on VCR repairs. I can
do
> > most
> > > > >> repairs in
> > > > >> > one hour or less.
> > > > >> > Jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >> > FAX 717-564-4952
> > > > >> > Jeff Dougherty
> > > > >> > Intrepid Video & Electronics Be careful of your thoughts.
> > > > >> > 501 Luther Rd They may become your words
> > > > >> > Harrisburg, PA 17111 any moment.
> > > > >> > 717-909-8844
> > > > >> > VCR tips, electronics info & general interest.
> > > > >> > www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net
> > > > >> > www.thetoolcaddy.com www.9-11-2001tragedy.com
> > > > >> >
> > >
***********************************************************************
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> > From: "Leonard G. Caillouet" <lcaillo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >> > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 11:13 AM
> > > > >> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
> > > > >partnumber
> > > > >> and
> > > > >> > cross
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > How much labor do you all charge for these repairs?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Leonard G. Caillouet
> > > > >> > Service Manager
> > > > >> > Electronics World
> > > > >> > Gainesville, FL
> > > > >> > 352-332-5608
> > > > >> > 352-332-5668 (fax)
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> > From: "Jeff Dougherty" <support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >> > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 8:59 PM
> > > > >> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
> > > > >partnumber
> > > > >> > and cross
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Jose,
> > > > >> > > The part number is in the thread.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >All 3 needed the same rotary switch. Part number
> > > > >483527617343
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >> > > FAX 717-564-4952
> > > > >> > > Jeff Dougherty
> > > > >> > > Intrepid Video & Electronics Be careful of your
thoughts.
> > > > >> > > 501 Luther Rd They may become your
words
> > > > >> > > Harrisburg, PA 17111 any moment.
> > > > >> > > 717-909-8844
> > > > >> > > VCR tips, electronics info & general interest.
> > > > >> > > www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net
> > > > >> > > www.thetoolcaddy.com www.9-11-2001tragedy.com
> > > > >> > >
> > > >
> >***********************************************************************
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> > > From: "JOSE R. PANIAGUA" <breadywater@xxxxxxx>
> > > > >> > > To: "techassist" <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >> > > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 11:24 PM
> > > > >> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix
and
> > > > >> partnumber
> > > > >> > and
> > > > >> > > cross
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > hello: J Siverman
> > > > >> > > Can you please be so kind and at least give us the part # ,so
> if
> > > > >someone
> > > > >> > want to
> > > > >> > > order he can do it with it.
> > > > >> > > Thank you.
> > > > >> > > Jose R. Paniagua.
> > > > >> > > Breadywater@xxxxxxx
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> > > From: J Silverman
> > > > >> > > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 1:20 PM
> > > > >> > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix
and
> > > > >> partnumber
> > > > >> > and
> > > > >> > > cross
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Over here, the newer Funai mode switches cost about $1.50. We
> > > usually
> > > > >> buy
> > > > >> > at
> > > > >> > > least 20 of a kind at a time directly from Funai Parts. At
> > current
> > > > >shop
> > > > >> > > rates, $1.50 is equivalent to about 75 seconds of time, so it
> > costs
> > > > >more
> > > > >> > to
> > > > >> > > repair than replace. However, a lot of them can be taken
apart
> > > > without
> > > > >> > > desoldering which saves about 30 seconds. Still cheaper to
> > replace
> > > > and
> > > > >> far
> > > > >> > > less chance of having to do it all over again free. Also the
> > newest
> > > > >> switch
> > > > >> > > is so small and flimsy, if you even touch the fingers they
just
> > > roll
> > > > >> over
> > > > >> > > and die.
> > > > >> > > I do save lots of the old switches for the day when they may
> > become
> > > > >NLA.
> > > > >> > > Jerry Silverman
> > > > >> > > Greentron Inc
> > > > >> > > From: "Vilhelm Boor" <villyboor@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >> > > > I think you will find that it is a problem with
the
> > > > >surface
> > > > >> of
> > > > >> > > the plastic, We have a series here where over the years I
have
> > gone
> > > > >from
> > > > >> > > advocating not to clean to cleaning them. This is my reason
for
> > > using
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > > finest grade of steel wool to resurface metal and plastic.
Then
> a
> > > > good
> > > > >> > wash
> > > > >> > > in hot water and detergent to get impurities from all
surfaces.
> > Now
> > > > >wash
> > > > >> > > again with contact cleaner and lightly coat with a silicone
> > > > lubricant.
> > > > >> > > Retention the fingers and its as good as new
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > >yes--replace the mode switch. I have repaired a lot of
mode
> > > > >switches
> > > > >> > > over
> > > > >> > > > >the years, and the only ones I have had too replace in the
> > past
> > > > >were
> > > > >> in
> > > > >> > > > >really bad shape. These can look perfect, and fail. I
> don't
> > > know
> > > > >> > > > >why------yet
> > > > >> > > > >Jeff Farnsworth
> > > > >> > > , Lyles Tv wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >I have 3 combos in here right now. With the help of
> > people
> > > > >> here,
> > > > >> > I
> > > > >> > > > >found
> > > > >> > > > >> > that rebuilding/cleaning the mode switches like I have
> > been
> > > > >doing
> > > > >> > for
> > > > >> > > > >> > years----don't work on these. I have trying to create
a
> > > > little
> > > > >> > > database
> > > > >> > > > >of
> > > > >> > > > >> > combo cross references as no one has been able to
supply
> > me
> > > > >with
> > > > >> > one.
> > > > >> > > > >The
> > > > >> > > > >> > three units I have here are
> > > > >> > > > >> > >Sylvania SSC092
> > > > >> > > > >> > >Phillips CCB092
> > > > >> > > > >> > >Symphonic WF-13C1
> > > > >> > > > >> > >All 3 needed the same rotary switch. Part number
> > > > >483527617343
> > > > >> > > > >> > >Don't bother trying ness right now. I just ordered
> their
> > > > last
> > > > >2
> > > > >> > in
> > > > >> > > > >stock,
> > > > >> > > > >> > just 2 minutes ago
> > > > >> > > > >> > >I do have some more in my cross, but it is not in a
> > > > >presentable
> > > > >> > > format
> > > > >> > > > >> > yet. When I can donate something usable, i will up
load
> > it.
> > > > >> > > > >> > > Btw, the generally common symptom with these were
> > "stuck
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