[tdcore] Re: US Federal Agents: Hypocritcal and Unethical Bastards ?
- From: "digital@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <thehex@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: list@xxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:25:19 -0400
Definitely see your point Metty. The government has always done things
themselves that they have forbidden us to do. Lie, cheat, steal, spy,
kill, conspire, etc etc. Why not add 'hack' to their already long list.
Heh. As a matter of fact, we should setup a small mail server that auto-attaches
500 'jam echelon' terms. That'd actually be fun.
Just as they are able to join this discussion group and monitor what
goes on, we should be able to know what really goes on in our government.
Conspiring is the last way to gain trust. Oh wait. Government's don't
revolve around trust. They revolve around promises and capital.
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---- Metgod <Metgod@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Okay. FBI tried to work with Russian Authorities to no avail. After
> several
> attempts to get the Russian government to cooporate with them about
> Russian
> 'hackers' who broke into bank computer systems and attempted extorition,
> the feds did something just wrong.....=20
>
> Firstly, the FEDs 'created' a fictitious security firm, and offered
> the
> 'hackers' jobs. Why? To lure them into the US. Upon ariving in the
> states,
> the FBI arrested the two. Huh ?! Here we have the GOVERNMENT of the
> USA, a
> supposed fair country, lure two individuals into the USA, out of their
> home
> country just so they could be punished -- because the Russian Government
> didn't respond ? WTF ?! I don't care what the 'hackers' did, that was
> just
> unethical. It'd be a whole 'nother story if the Russian government
> extradited them to the US, or if the criminals came because 'they wanted
> to'. But here we have our government, that we are supposed to respect,
> LIE
> to foreigners just so they could punish them ? Isn't that somewhat
> defeating ?=20
>
> Secondly, the FEDs broke into the computers of the criminals to gather
> evidence. What ? Isn't that what the feds were attempting to punish
> the
> criminals for ? Breaking into US computer systems ? Now they are breaking
> into computers of others. Talk about hypocrisy!!=20
>
> here's part of the story
>
> FBI AGENTS LURED the two suspects to the United
> States with job offers from a fictitious security
> firm, then
> arrested them in Seattle and broke into their
> computers in
> Chelyabinsk, Russia, said Stephen Schroeder,
> an
> assistant
> U.S. attorney.
> Alexey Ivanov, 20, and Vasiliy Gorshkov,
> 25, were
> indicted by a federal grand jury in Seattle.
> Ivanov also has
> been indicted in New Jersey and Connecticut,
> where=
> he
> currently is in custody.
> The decision to break into the computers
> =97
> which
> were allegedly used by the suspects to hack
> into=
> the
> computers of U.S. companies and engage in
> numerous
> extortion attempts =97 came only after Moscow=
> ignored
> requests for assistance from U.S. authorities,
> Schroeder
> said.
> =93There were several attempts,=94
> he said.
> =93The Russian
> government simply didn=92t respond.=94
> Ivanov and Gorshkov were arrested on
> Nov.=
> 10.
> Details of the case first surfaced Monday
> in the
> Seattle
> Times, which reported the arrests based on
> the=
> court
> documents.
>
> read all of it at: http://www.msnbc.com/news/563379.asp
> Metgod <metgod@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> "My Terminal is my Soul"
>
>
>
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