Dennis I talked to Greg at Vintage and he said and I quoate in true Southern California style"I don't think I have anymore of those" Try Izzy's they guy I bought them from was set up with him at OCTO in 2004 his last name was Davis .Be paitent with the Iz ,he fishes now more than he VW'S . Paul Smith www.23window.com/thezone T.C.B. H.B.B.