68 and up is later. I wouldn't call them modern by any stretch. -- Sent from my Palm Pre sammie smith wrote: I don't know what Will means by later, but I think all ghias pre-68 had head light rings that are unique only to the ghia. I may be wrong on that. As to 68 and later I have to plead ingnorance to knowledge of the "modern" VW. --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Will <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Will <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [tcb] Re: Experts, what is the diameter To: "tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 3:04 PM This a bus list.. It should be the same on all later models. -- Sent from my Palm Pre Denis wrote: of a Karman Ghia headlight ring? Is it the same as a Type 3?