[tcb] Re: Denis' medical bills update.
- From: "w.wood" <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 21:39:05 -0500
that's the rub.
"Trained Individuals"
More accountants
More Lawyers (I just fired a Lawyer this week, don't ask)
All of which have Lobbyists...
Yes, it's a great economic engine but it does nothing to improve patient
care and drive down costs.
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:11 PM, atx <atx_bus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Med billing, is very difficult to wrap your arms around. It takes a
> trained individual to understand the details. Anybody that doesnt understand
> their bill should seek some explanation and guidance. Any inaccuracies
> should be questioned.
>
> Yes, it can be expensive but I really don't think most Hospitals, Docs,
> Nurses, Therapists & etc... are out to get people. As for codes it's just a
> # and procedures should represent that code and #'s parameters. Keep in
> mind mind that there is no code for compassion so find a place that cares
> for you.
>
> Jeff
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> On Dec 8, 2010, at 6:35 PM, "w.wood" <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Most of health care is billing and coding and agreements, not patient
> care. Every procedure has a code, Medicare creates the codes and the rest
> of the industry pays based on the coding practices and those agreements.
> Yes, you're a sucker if you pay street prices for a medical procedure and
> it's all unfortunately going into the Insurance companies back pockets. I
> work in DC, I'm there every week and I can't tell you how many lobbying
> groups there are all around me. In the one building I'm in, there's at
> least 4 however that are related to Medical Insurance, Social Security and
> Medicare.
>
> See, when Dennis fell. He needed:
>
> 6x code 324 - Daily Hospital ICU
> 6x code 666 - Daily Sponge baths
> 6x code 621 - Daily Meal provided by a "nutritionist."
>
> and so on.
>
> What's even more amazing is that there's no checks and balances and if you
> believe the bill you receive somebody is tracking every pillow fluff and
> every bed pan cleaning, constantly. I think 80% of what they put on the
> bill is just there to pad it.
>
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:39 PM, sammie smith <<bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> One more comment Denis, then I will shut up about hospitals and health
>> care. One of my daughters was in a car wreck; hospital bill was about
>> $40.000, insurance approved amount was about $3,500, hospital had to write
>> off the approximate $36,000 difference. Poor slob who has no insurance, if
>> he pays, will have to pay the full $40,000. Told you before; 99 accountants
>> can't figure out what is going on with health care costs, billing, or
>> anything else to do with money and health care.
>>
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>> --- On *Wed, 12/8/10, Denis Dodson < <coocoo@xxxxxxx>coocoo@xxxxxxx>*wrote:
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>> From: Denis Dodson < <coocoo@xxxxxxx>coocoo@xxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [tcb] Re: Denis' medical bills update.
>> To: <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 1:23 PM
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>> Today I learned that the reason I don’t owe 20% of $83K is that the
>> insurance companies make deals with the hospitals that mark down the cost.
>> So they say $83K and the insurance says “No, it is $49K” Then they trim
>> things here and there, so I pay 20% of $30K. The hospital billing ladies
>> have been really nice and they seem amazed by it all, even as they are
>> explaining it. I don’t know who to kill.
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>> Further strange. I was 6 days in ICU. The insurance company sent me a
>> letter that said I was pre-approved for 4. I got billed for 5.
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>> Do I have to kill them all?
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>> *From:* <tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:<tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of * <wuzmop@xxxxxxx>wuzmop@xxxxxxx
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:33 AM
>> *To:* <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Denis' medical bills update.
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>> Similarly, when Sonja had surgery years ago, we got identical, SEPERATE
>> bills from both doctors in the medical practice her surgeon practiced in.
>> Never saw, met, or even knew who the other doctors was.
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Hayes < <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxx>mike@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Tue, Dec 7, 2010 4:29 pm
>> Subject: [tcb] Re: Denis' medical bills update.
>>
>>
>> My wife just had surgery and I have whats considered good insurance and it
>> still cost me $2800 out of pocket.
>> Last year leading up to the time my father died his bill for the 8 months
>> prior was 1.8 million. He had really good insurance and he didn't pay
>> anything. There were doctors billing his insurance that we never saw come
>> or go.
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>> On 12/7/2010 4:10 PM, Denis Dodson wrote:
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>> I thought that the $30,000+ total cost for falling off the deck was nuts,
>> well today I actually spoke to the very nice hospital billing office lady
>> who corrected me. The actual total bill before insurance was $83,362.67!
>> That does not include the doctor’s, radiology, ambulance, emergency room or
>> oxygen bills.
>>
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>> Shirley said this is what it cost to put me back on my feet for the next
>> event, a deer?
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