[talks-uk] Re: Kapten
- From: "Scott C" <castledine10@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:37:31 -0000
About 2 inch's by about 2.5 and around 1.5 cm thick.
About as big as the screen on a N95 but no where as thick.
If I put it on my laptop witch is a laptop not a net book it's as wide as 2
keys and about as long as 3 keys.
If you ever had the M1000 blue tooth GPS receiver its about the size of that
but not as thick.
Like a small sized match box that's bean sat on and squashed flat.
If I can find a rule I'll get it spot on for you.
Ta Scott.
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From: Jackie Cairns - Email Address: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent On: 25/03/2010 14:13
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Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kapten
Hi Scott
How big is Kapten? I can't seem to find any dimensions.
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From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Scott C
Sent: 25 March 2010 14:02
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Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kapten
it doesn't always work in my pocket but a lot of the time it does.
Wen I use it on a bus though I hold it in my hand.
Coat pocket is the way I have it most of the time wen walking and it works ok
like that for me.
Sometimes giving it a wipe over with a damp cloff helps as well.
Ta Scott.
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From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav - Email Address: forums@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent On:
25/03/2010 13:56 Sent To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Email Address:
talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kapten
Scott,
Are you always 100% able to use it in your pocket, or mainly in your hand...?
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From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Scott C
Sent: 24 March 2010 11:19
To: Talks List Talks List
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kapten
I've used it more than once in Coventry city centre and found it fine.
I once didn't know where a post office was and looked it up on Kaptins list of
points of interest and it took me right to the door of one that I never new was
there.
Again that was in Coventry city centre. Again it doesn't give you what
wayfinder does but with my dog and Kaptin I get on OK and find what I need to
OK.
Maybe try it again Neal as what you found I'm just not finding mate.
I'd not go back to not having this little thing now.
It's far from perfect but it does do the job. Well for me it does anyway.
Ta Scott.
-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav - Email Address: forums@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent On:
24/03/2010 09:21 Sent To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Email Address:
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Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kapten
The unit was not duff, well I doubt it anyway...
We had it on for a very long time, we are not amateurs you know! Smile...
It was a fine sunny day, what I really want to know, before people say we did
something wrong, is do we know of anyone who is using Kapten in a challenging
location? London or another built up heavily congested area?
It's not fair to compare our findings with rural ville.
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From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 24 March 2010 09:15
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Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kapten
Hi Eleanor,
I believe you. I am also having no problems with Kapten, so they either had a
faulty unit, or it must have been timed from first fix.
Either way, the test is completely inaccurate compared to my Kapten and my
findings with it.
All the best
Steve
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From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
Sent: Monday 22 March 2010 22:25
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kapten
Oh well Neil, I told you a lady in Ireland was using it successfully too and in
a rural area.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <forums@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 9:50 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kapten
Scott,
Where are you living in the UK? When Mike May and I tested extensively the
Kapten we had terrible trouble getting it to maintain a GPS lock in London,
literally waiting up to 30 minutes at a time, only to have it lose it again
minutes later.
I'm completely staggered that you've got it to work on a bus. How are you
holding it, in your hand or in a pocket, any chance it's an open top bus! :)
smile.
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Scott C
Sent: 22 March 2010 11:19
To: Talks List Talks List
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kapten
Everything comes pre loaded so I've never used it to be honest with you.
Guess I'll have to wen there's a software update or something but as yet it
worked out of the box so to speak.
Ta Scott.
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From: darren_4æg_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx - Email Address:
darren_4æg_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent On: 22/03/2010 10:51
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Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kapten
Hi, thanks. What about the software that comes with it how easy is that to use
and what about the kapsys my space?
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Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kapten
From: "Scott C" <castledine10@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 22:03:2010 10.30 am
Yep. You just hold it and say where am I to it and as long as it has GPS
coverage It'll tell you what road your on and what number your at ETC.
Like you are at 115 west road. You can also K tag points like bus stops and
the like and ask it to plot a root to the K tag you saved.
I find on a bus it keeps better GPS coverage than I ever got with WFA.
Ta Scott.
-----Original Message-----
From: darre4æn_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx - Email Address:
darre4æn_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent On: 22/03/2010 09:43
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Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kapten
How do you mean it will tell you where you are on a bus can you explain further
with that?
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Subject: [talks-uk] Kapten
From: "Scott C" <castledine10@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 22:03:2010 9.10 am
I both have and use the Kapten and like it.
I'll start by saying though it's no Wfa.
It doesn't have a around me view for a start. Also it'll tell you to turn in
50m but it doesn't tell you things like how many roads you'll cross before you
get to the right one.
It does though tell you to turn wen you do get to the right one.
I find it very vary accurate and in terms of can I turn it on and get from A to
B with it?
Yes I can.
The one thing it seems to better for me than WFA is let me know where I am on a
bus.
It can't search by post coed and that's a down side also again no around me
view.
I'd also like a where am I button rather than keep asking it out loud, but
again I'd say WFA it shore isn't, but it does work and will get you to a point
that you want. Well it does for me anyway.
Ta Scott.
-----Original Message-----
From: Darren Harris - Email Address: darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent On:
21/03/2010 12:07 Sent To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Email Address:
talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
i only know him over emails. hey did you by chance go to linden lodge school?
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Saqib
Sent: 21 March 2010 12:05
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description Yes he has
both. You may know him. His name is Scott C.
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From: Darren Harris <mailto:darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 11:48 AM
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
hi,
is this friend a wfa user as well? if so can he make a good comparison between
the 2?
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From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Saqib
Sent: 21 March 2010 11:22
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description Hi Darren.
A friend of mine has trialed this Capten device and he tells me that it works
very well and he can't figgure out why it's received negative reviews.
My Twitter page is www.twitter.com/saqib1975 MSN Saqib500@xxxxxxxxxxx
From: Darren Harris <mailto:darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 10:59 AM
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
hi,
well as much as i want to see the WFA petition get somewhere and posatively, it
is a great product no matter how much people have spent on it, it would be a
shame to see it fall like this. equally, i also have to think about this from
my personal perspective as well. i am a gps user and as such i'm not going to
go without a gps. equally i'm not prepared to pay the stupid prices demanded by
the blindness world either. certainly not before i've looked at the
alternatives. right now as it stands i have time to look around as has already
been mentioned, we aren't going to lose wfa until sometime next year. so really
people we shouldn't be idle on this either. be active when it comes to the
petition yes and spread the word but equally don't rely on it as a form of
rescue either because that may not happen at all with all the will in the
world. sorry but i'm just being realistic here.
i've been reading up on other gps devices including the kapten from kapsys.
now before everybody jumps on the band waggan by saying this has already been
reviewed by mike may, well here's the point. he's not going to review it
posatively is he. for the simple reason that he has his own company to think
about so he's hardly likely to review it in a fair manner. think about it, he's
not likely to say that this is a wonderful device and that everybody should go
and purchase it when he's got the likes of the trekker to think about.
considering that the trekker is almost 10 times as expensive as the kapten is
he's going to try playing it down. so am going to get a propper look at it
myself. which as we speak i'm trying to organize this with my local adaptive
tech stockest who happens to sell it and who isn't too far from me either.
having been a power user of WFA for almost 2 years, i have a good idea as to
what i myself need from a gps unit so i can make a good comparison between the
2. the thing with the kapten is that it's been designed from the ground up to
be usable without a screen. which perfectly falls right within our level of
requirement. whether this be by accident or design doesn't matter the simple
fact is that it does. so my thinking here is that really people shouldn't be
taking the word of 1 man as absolute especially when said individual has his
own business interests to mind.
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Hussein Patwa
Sent: 21 March 2010 10:40
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description Hi,
Very well put Ibrahim. Now that the news is known, it is time to look at what
to do about it constructively and then look to the future. At the end of the
day though, I believe this has to be the choice for the individual.
Some may feel it's not worth the hassle, but I would advocate that if one
doesn't try, one would never know.
I'd just like to see the dealer's response to your comments. Obviously this
will have an economic impact on them, so one could ask whether or not they
themselves would be considering an action against Wayfinder. It would depend
if they knowingly sold the licenses on knowing that their 'shelf life' as you
put it would be severely degraded. The fact that maps will be available for a
time to come is largely irrelevant. It's either the whole pie or none at all.
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From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu
Sent: 21 March 2010 09:56
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
Hi.
I'd just like to add that it might be possible for those who bought the product
very recently to get a refund of their money or a significant portion of their
money back. If the product was purchased before the announcement of its
discontinuation was made public, it might be possible to argue that the
lifetime part of the contract can not be honoured.
Furthermore, wayfinder themselves stopped selling licenses for their entire
product line late last year anticipating this change, there by significantly
undervalueing the access licenses that distributors may have in ready stock.
Distributors should be thinking about compensating those customers who weren't
aware that they were purchasing a product which as it turns out has a very
limited shelf life and to which the customer would have had no knowledge of
this before purchase.
All the best, Ibrahim.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hussein Patwa <mailto:talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 9:32 AM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
Hi,
Whereas I completely understand where those of you that lost money are coming
from, this is a simple question of economics from the company's perspective.
It's just not viable to trade in an arena with such a relatively small consumer
base and where price sensitivity is high. On the plus side, this is an area
that is becoming of growing interest to all consumers, and by that very nature
will encourage innovation and change.
Therefore, whereas it's true that many products are not totally accessible to
the visually impaired by design at present, this is likely to change as the
withdrawal of WFA will if anything spur creativity and drive to 'fill the void'
if you will.
Sorry, I'm not trying to fling aside the concerns over financial loss suffered
by existing customers, but I just wish people would look at the situation from
both sides of the fence. This is actually a positive development if you take
the time to look outside the box.
OK, that's my business insight shared for the day.
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Have a pleasant day,
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Hussein.
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From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Paul Cutress
Sent: 20 March 2010 21:08
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
that's all very well, but some of us like me, for example have only had my WFA
licence for about 2 months!, so when the product is discontinued, what about
all the money we have wasted! £240.00 is a lot of money just to thro away, are
many people more to the point going to be able to trust the market in quite the
same way? I ask you?, and how can we go main stream, when talks doesn't work
with the alternatives.
----- Original Message -----
From: Saqib <mailto:Saqib500@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 12:01 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
Hi Darren. Quite a number of us have not only considered it as an alternative.
We are already using it with great success. Although I feel for the loss of WFA
and can sympothise with other people I feel its time for us to go mainstreem. I
haven't had the WFA product but I've had the opportunity to trial the software.
I can understand how much info will be taken away from the user when the
product finally is discontinued and that is where my sympothy lies as using
another product like Ovi Maps will feel like making the best of a bad job with
very little tools. Having said all this it's time to explore the market and
embrace new products and ideas.
My Twitter page is www.twitter.com/saqib1975 MSN Saqib500@xxxxxxxxxxx
From: Darren Harris <mailto:darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 11:37 AM
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
it's great reading about all of this but is it realistically accessible? i mean
is it something that we can viably consider as an alternative?
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu
Sent: 19 March 2010 20:48
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description Hi Hussein
and Saqib.
Would it be possible to use the talks icon labeller to label these icons?
All the best, Ibrahim.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hussein Patwa <mailto:talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 8:26 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
Hi,
Thank you very much for doing this. This will be of great use to a lot of
people I?m sure. Actually it ties in to an idea I have been sitting on for
some time which I will write you about off list.
Best,
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From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Saqib
Sent: 19 March 2010 17:56
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
Nokia Ovi Maps 3.3 main menu description.
This description is for the new Nokia Maps 3.3 main menu interface.
Usually when you open the application you are greted with the main menu which
consists of 10 icons. There are two rows of 4 icons which are displayed on the
screen and a further 2 which can be seen at the bottom left of the screen. The
display almost looks like a 4-4-2 formation. For those who follow football will
know what I?m relating to.
When you first open the Ovi Maps 3.3 app the drive icon is highlighted. The
drive icon is located on the left of the screen, second one down from the top
left icon. If you select this drive icon you will be presented with a further 3
icons. The highlighter will be on the first of the 3 icons presented which is
on the left of the other two icons. The first icon is called drive home in this
submenu. Selecting this will prompt the app to start navigation to your home
location.
The second icon in this sub menu is called Set Destination. Pressing select on
this will bring up a accessible menu where you can select an option of your
choice. These choices consist of History, Favourites, Search and finally From
Map. The From Map is the 4th option.
The third and final icon from this Drive submenu is called Map. If you select
this you will be shown a Map view of your current location. From this Map you
can press select and you will then be presented with a accessible menu. The
first of these options is Show Details.This will give you further information
in text so You will know exactly where you are currently standing. For example
a name of the road and the number of the property in which you may be standing
by. Second option is Share location. Third option is Save Place. 4th option is
Send. I have now covered the drive section of Ovi Maps 3.3.
My Position Icon
From the main icon screen remember when I pointed out that the highlighter is
stationed on the Drive icon in which I have described in detail above.
Above this icon is the My position icon which is situated on the top left of
the screen. It?s the first icon in the first row of icons. To get to this you
just arrow up once from the Drive icon. With in this map view you can hit
select to bring up an accessible menu. These consist of Show Details,Share
Location, Save Place and the final option in the list is Send.
Find Places
The Find Places icon is the second icon in from the top left next to the My
Position Icon. Pressing select on this will bring up a search box. Once you
type in your search you should be presented with a result of your search.
Share Location
The Share Location Icon is the third icon in the top ro after the Find Places
icon. You will have to create a Nokia account to take advantage of this feature.
Favourites
The Favourites Icon is the 4th and last icon in the top row. This is on the
right of the Share Location icon. Pressing select on this will bring up the
Favourites menu. The options here are Sincronise with Ovi, Places, Routs and
Create New Collection.
Second row of 4 icons description
The First option in this row of icons is the Drive option. I have covered
this earlier on in this document.
Walk
The Walk option resides next door to the Drive icon. Selecting this option will
bring up a submenu of three icons. The first icon is Walk Home. This will
trigger the navigation mode and you will be ready to outtake your journey on
foot. Icon 2 is the Set Destination option. From heare you can select an
address from a previous history or favourites. There are also options to search
or select from map. As the map it self is inaccessible I think this option is
not applicable for the VI user. The final option in the Walk submenu is help.
Sadly this is also inaccessible.
Weather
The Weather icon is the third icon in the second row and this is inaccessible.
Events
The Events Icon is the final icon in the second row of four. This feature is
also inacfcessible.
Third row of 2 icons
The third row which is the bottom row has two icons. Both are inaccessible.
The first is called Loanly Plannet and the neighbouring icon is called Michelin.
I hope this description is a help to those who are using the application.
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