Also, speaking of kicking and screaming into the future, for anyone who buys a new pc with windows 7, you may be interested in the mailing list for blind users of this version of windows. you can subscribe by sending a blank email to the address below: blindwindows7-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Chip ------------------------------ Chip Orange Database Administrator Florida Public Service Commission Chip.Orange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (850) 413-6314 (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.)