Claudio, Are you sure it's those clefs you would want/need? I suggest you used the appropriate lines from the Lines dialogue. Also, if the notes for a particular part are written to be an octave or two lower than notated for an entire score or long section, you can get by with merely writing that instruction in a Technique field. You'll probably still want to add the lines I mentioned, and hide them with ctrl+shift+h, so they won't clutter the score. I have never heard of the clefs you seek. Dale -----Original Message----- From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Claudio Sacco Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 12:24 PM To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [sib-access] missing two clefs Hi I miss two clefs; I'm looking for "treble down 15" and "bass down 15". Can I create these clefs, if they are really missing? I need them because of an arrangement I made of a piano score for six hands and it will be played by very little children; so I wanted to make it more readable for them. Many thanks for help Claudio If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx