Kevin, to start with, choose atonal in the key signature dialog; although this behaves like C major. Input the notes in whatever way you like and then run one of the plug-ins in the plug-ins > accidentals menu to tidy things up. There are four worth no about. Add accidentals to all notes This puts an accidental on every note in the score without exception. It takes its lead from whatever spellings are already in the score. EG: if you've input an F-sharp followed by a G-flat, they will both be spelt that way. Add accidentals to all sharp or flat notes This only adds accidentals to sharp and flat notes, and naturals which need to be identified as naturals because they follow a sharp or flat in the same bar. Spell sharps as flats This just respells every sharp as a flat. Respell flats as sharps Guess what! It turns flats into sharps. As for using sharps or flats in an ostinato, it's really down to personal choice. Give some thought to what is easiest for the instrument, but don't forget that F-sharp and G-flat are actually different notes. In some cases there is a good case for using a sharp over a flat. A useful keystroke is Enter, which respells an note with a different accidental. EG: F-sharp will become G-flat. This key also works on passages. One last thing to mention is cautionary accidentals. These will crop up all over the place if you start using the plug-ins above. A cautionary accidental is one which will always appear, no matter what you do to the other notes in the bar. Hope this helps, Dan Rugman Visit www.musicaccess.co.uk for visually-impaired musicians and home of Sibelius Access -----Original Message----- From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin Gibbs Sent: 02 February 2010 17:43 To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [sib-access] FW: Key signature options for my Zeitgeist piece Guys, See the note below. How does one make accidentals in atonal music apply only to the adjacent note? Also, in a case where an ostinato would clearly state the key of d Flat in an otherwise atonal piece, should the accidentals be stated as flats or sharps? How does one override the default if necessary in that case? Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Shannon Wettstein [mailto:slwettstein@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:20 AM To: Kevin Gibbs Subject: Re: Key signature options for my Zeitgeist piece I would prefer to see everything without a key signature. Also, the no-key signature option in most notation software is actually C Major, meaning that accidentals carry through the bar. I really, really dislike that. In non-tonal, or even bi-tonal music, the accidental needs to apply only to the note it precedes. Thanks for asking. Shannon On Feb 2, 2010, at 1:33 AM, Kevin Gibbs wrote: Dear Shannon and Pat, I'm preparing the parts for the piece you guys will be playing on March 16. The following occurs to me. I consider the piece to be basically atonal. However, there are two sections which are clearly bi-tonal. In the first, the left hand is playing in D Flat. The right hand is playing the melody in C. Likewise, the soprano is doubling this melody in what is D for a B flat instrument. (See measures 52-89.) The same situation appears in measures 124-149 for the bass clarinet. (128-149 for piano.) The difference here is that the key for bass clarinet is E Flat instead of D. I'm considering choosing a key sig of atonal, except for the bi-tonal sections. In those cases, I'm considering putting in the above keys sigs. I'm attaching rough drafts of your parts in PDF so you can see what I'm considering doing. I feel I've benefited from asking both of you questions in the past and I'm sure I'll benefit here, too. Thanks, Kevin PS. The PDF you're looking at is 9.5"x12.5" If you try and print it on 8.5"x11" paper, it will look messed up. Likewise, there are all manner of other formatting issues I don't wish to address until I've cleared up the key sig question. <In Transition Reeds.pdf><In Transition Piano.pdf> If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx