In the fyi category... In the sparam to hspice or pspice category... The FWS add-on to HFSS is very good. At 40 GHz... And ESPECIALLY at 300GHz.. The geometric mesh resolution of the mesh of your tool comes into play in a huge way. So depending on your structures, you may want to do some detail study on the priciples behind the mesh generation. For typical structures... At 80 GHz and above... I would suggest structural meshing would be advantageous. BR ap -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott McMorrow Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 9:28 PM To: lgreen22@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: 'si-list' Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: tools for really high speed Lynne, CST Microwave Studio and Ansoft HFSS can both handle the 3D full wave simulations at these frequencies. To create spice-type models you will need to convert s-parameters derived from these tools into passive time-domain simulation models. There are several commercial tools on the market that perform this function. I have validated Sigrity Broadband Spice with CST Microwave Studio to 40 GHz. and 50 Gbps signalling against measurement, with the end simulations being done in HSpice. scott lgreen wrote: >Please reply offline: > >Does anyone have any recommendations for extraction and simulation >tools for data rates at 40 GHz (harmonics to 300 GHz)? > >Interconnects for both board and package need to be extracted with the >field solver; S-parameter models would be acceptable. > >SI simulation could be done in an SI simulator or in a SPICE-type >simulator. However, the signals are already known to violate the >quasi-static assumption (higher order modes carry significant signal >energy). > >- Lynne > > > >"IBIS training when you need it, where you need it." > >Dr. Lynne Green >Green Streak Programs >http://www.greenstreakprograms.com >425-788-0412 >lgreen22@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from si-list: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > >or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > >For help: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > >List FAQ wiki page is located at: > http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ > >List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.org > >List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > -- Scott McMorrow Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC 121 North River Drive Narragansett, RI 02882 (401) 284-1827 Business (401) 284-1840 Fax (503) 750-6481 Cellular http://www.teraspeed.com Teraspeed is the registered service mark of Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu