Ah, yes, I was being too simplistic. In simulation, it is possible to create a sawtooth signal that has a 0% to 100% risetime that approaches a full bit period. In the lab/field, though, how realistic is this? With edge rate typically being defined as 10% to 90% (or even more extreme, 20% to 80%), the effective duration of the signal transition is greater than indicated by the edge rate number alone. In particular, high frequency attentuation will roll off the "teeth" (corners) of the signals. When we account for practical channel effects and how the edge rate accounts for only a portion of the signal, then what happens? -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of LD Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:35 PM To: Lakshmi N. Sundararajan - PTU; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: frquency limit of a channel Patrick, That is not true. If the period is 166ps the rise time needs to be less than this figure and the fall time has to be less that that period. The signal will generally need to complete a rise or fall time and stay high or low for a very small fraction of that time. In fact most good receivers and recover the data if the rise time where to be 166ps and the fall time was also 166ps or less and there was zero high or low time. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu