Sunil, I'll let smarter people address the ways of directly measuring on-chip parasitics, but I'll offer the concept of indirect measurement. In our studies of on-chip coupling (whether from inductive or capacitive effects), the two issues we've been most concerned with are: 1) effect coupling has on changing the propagation delay through the interconnect; and 2) potential for sufficient coupling to produce false logic decisions due to overwhelming levels of crosstalk. To study these effects, we use simple active test circuits that had four aggressors and one victim. There are two aggressors on either side of the victim. The victims and aggressors are comprised of drivers (e.g., 2X INV gates) and receivers (again, 2X INV gates). We then have a series of structures where we vary the line-to-line pitch between the traces and vary the length of the coupling sections. By doing so, we measure the effect the coupling has on the delay or false logic glitches. We then run a series of simulations where we try to estimate the amount of coupling to produce the results we measure. In doing so, we indirectly measure the mutual parasitics. We've been reasonably successful with model-to-measure correlation, but I admit it would be nice to directly measure the parasitics. However, we've run into difficulty in measuring the parasitics, because they are generally extremely low in value with relatively high series resistance (both which make accurate measurements difficult). Hope this helps, Pat > Hello All, > > I'm studying modeling of mutual inductance of coupled line in > on-chip interconnects. > To verify my model I'd like to measure that. > Would anybody explain the test structure including > de-embedding and measurement procedure ? > Is it possible to extract the mutual parasitics (RLC) of > coupled line from two-port VNA measurement ? > > Thank you in advance. > Sunil > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu