Hello Everyone, After going through a multiple analysis to measurement validation projects, I realized that almost all boards are not manufactured as designed (what a surprise :-)). As a consequence the analysis to measurement validation may require investigation of the manufactured board geometry, that includes cutting the board and taking measurements on the cross-sections (usually important only above 10 GHz). Now I am trying to figure out what board design adjustments are needed and where to get those numbers without cross-sectioning for the accurate post-layout electromagnetic analysis. In particular, is there any way to get the following numbers without cutting the board? - change thickness of layers (account for plating and variations in thickness of laminates); - change trace width and shape (account for etching and plating); - change spacing between traces in diff pairs (if adjusted for the "impedance control"); How board manufacturers actually adjust trace widths or spacing for a given design in the "impedance controlled" process if they have just Gerber or ODB++ data? Is there any software that does it? A relevant question - are there board manufacturers out there who provide probability distribution data for stackup layer thicknesses, strip widths, back-drilling depth etc.? Can anybody point me to a source of information on this subject. Best regards, Yuriy Yuriy Shlepnev, Ph.D. President, Simberian Inc. 3030 S Torrey Pines Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89146, USA Office +1-702-876-2882; Fax +1-702-482-7903 Cell +1-206-409-2368; Virtual +1-408-627-7706 Skype: shlepnev www.simberian.com Simbeor – Accurate, Fast, Easy and Affordable Electromagnetic Signal Integrity Software 2010 and 2011 DesignVision Award Winner ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List forum is accessible at: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu