In a message dated 10/20/2005 7:26:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, rivendellp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: There have been many dogs who have received great éclat and awards that do not fit the requests of the Standard. They have sired progeny who emulate their sires and dams. The only way that schism continues is when Judges make them appealing by awarding them points, Selects, and more. Judges are the guardians of any breed. Paul Judges are ONE of the guardians of the breed. The real guardians, IMHO, are the breeders. To place the final responsibility (and blame) on judges for the condition and progress (or lack of) of our breed is not fair or wise. Judges have to deal with what comes to the ring. They have no control on what is shown under them, or shouldn't. But breeders, now, that's the real issue. They have to breed dogs that can be judged to the standard. They have to breed to dogs that are correct, even if they are not Champions, even if they don't have the titles that makes the puppies marketable. Breeders have to have the integrity that allows them to do this because people looking for show dogs will seek them. Breeders need to be knowledgeable, ethical and responsible. We do have some of those people. Just pay attention, and educate yourself. Now, that is just my opinion, I am sure if I am wrong someone will tell me. It won't change my mind, but someone will feel better. LOL Ileana ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================