Champion Immer Treu V Celler Schloss was totally different than his litter mates..He was dark but a really nice male..My sister whelped the litter in Pittsburgh Pa..Jim Norris came to evaluate the litter ..They were beautiful..I was sent 2 top bitches..My sisters kennel name was Valiant hence Champion Ambers Valiant Robin rom..My twin sister had and still does have a good eye for quality..She has a Sheltie now..Some trivia..I did the first inbred ing on Arbywood Bred my Fels daughter to a Fortune son.Produced Ambers Phillida who when bred to Ch. Bar weirturchen produced the gorgeous Ambers Regina rom ..Jim Moses leased her and she died with him.No Lance up to this point Barbara Amidon http://www.geocities.com/amberkennel ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================