This has been an interesting discussion. The dog who flies around the ring looks exciting, and these days usually wins. However, I believe this can sometimes be deceiving. Barbara said that a good judge should be able to evaluate the correct dog at a walk. Years ago, this was not an unusual practice : Ernie Lobe walked them; Lloyd Brackett walked them : Ray Smith was the king though, walking each class as much as an hour or more. Of course, many things about judging have changed, time constraints probably causing many of those changes. Think of the time given to judging in Germany, for instance. I wouldn't trade our dogs for theirs, but I surely wish we could judge our specialty shows as they do. One thing we would notice is that the dogs could not maintain the gait we now ask of them. Another change is in the conditioning of many of our dogs. Many are now worked on a treadmill, particularly some of the all breed dogs. This can make a dog look smooth as glass and fleet as a gazelle, but it can sure fool the judge who isn't watching where those feet grab the ground. It can also cover up that choppy gait caused by a pushed forward front. Lang Skarda used to say "fear lends wings." and back when we had so many spooks they could really cover the ground and look good. Some dogs simply had temperament too sound to be a good show dog. That was when the attitude in a tablet started, a Dexedrine 30 minutes before ring time. It's a conundrum, and no one has an answer, but I'll certainly defend our double handling to AKC and everyone else rather than the drugs that were used a decade or so ago. One other change I would mention is in quality. Back in the 50s, 60s,and even somewhat in the 70s, the really good ones stuck out like a sore thumb. Now we have so many good ones, it is the fillers that stick out. All in all, I believe the GSD overall has made more progress than any other breed. We must be doing something right. Carolyn Carolyn McKenna 361-293-5389 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================